Something fun to start the week...
Just because one can do a thing, does not necessarily mean that they should do a thing.
My research interests are centered broadly on race and popular culture. In fact, one of my main questions involves race and representation in mass media, and how those narratives both legitimate and reinforce racial ideologies and "common sense," as well as tell us something more broadly about hierarchies of power in American society.
Given those interests, I have concluded that Tyler Perry's body of work constitutes one of the most pernicious, befouled, racist, and "ugly" depictions of black humanity that I have ever seen. As such, his "art" and role in the black culture industry is more than deserving of study.
Those qualifiers noted; proceeding from the love principle; and giving respect to folks that are working on this proposed project, I do have to wonder about how we explain our efforts at knowledge generation to those outside of our small world--assuming that we ought to feel obligated to (which is an unsettled question).
In addition, this dilemma is a nice segue back to the controversy over at The Chronicle of Higher Education a few weeks back regarding a vicious and ill founded editorial about Black Studies and the quality of the dissertations written in that field.
Dr. Michio Kaku, theoretical physicist and one of my favorite ghetto nerd man crushes, has a great story about how scientists are often incapable of communicating with the general public about the importance of their work. There, he explains how one of his colleagues was unable to explain to a government committee why Congress should fund a particle collider that would have been revolutionary in the capabilities it would have granted the scientific community.
During the hearings one of the representatives begged for a story, some excuse to give this researcher and his team the money for the project. Sadly, the scientist was unable to offer up a pitch that went beyond techno-babble. Predictably, the funding was denied. Dr. Kaku had a great suggestion: all his colleague had to say was that this machine would enable humanity to understand the mind of God as we took one more step closer to deciphering the most basic secrets of the universe.
Don't be mistaken. A collection of essays on the coonery and buffoonery of Tyler Perry is not going to help us understand such profound matters. This collection is also privately funded and subject to the free market (and how a niche audience will choose to embrace such a book or not). But, to those in academia, writers, and others who work in narrow disciplines, how do we "sell" our work to outsiders?
Ultimately, is how we approach such matters the difference between "specific" and "universal/general" intellectuals? Which of the roles should we strive to fulfill?
Here is the call for submissions. Perhaps one of you will forward a proposal.
During the hearings one of the representatives begged for a story, some excuse to give this researcher and his team the money for the project. Sadly, the scientist was unable to offer up a pitch that went beyond techno-babble. Predictably, the funding was denied. Dr. Kaku had a great suggestion: all his colleague had to say was that this machine would enable humanity to understand the mind of God as we took one more step closer to deciphering the most basic secrets of the universe.
Don't be mistaken. A collection of essays on the coonery and buffoonery of Tyler Perry is not going to help us understand such profound matters. This collection is also privately funded and subject to the free market (and how a niche audience will choose to embrace such a book or not). But, to those in academia, writers, and others who work in narrow disciplines, how do we "sell" our work to outsiders?
Ultimately, is how we approach such matters the difference between "specific" and "universal/general" intellectuals? Which of the roles should we strive to fulfill?
Here is the call for submissions. Perhaps one of you will forward a proposal.
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CFP--Essays on Tyler Perry; Abstracts 6/15/2012 and Essays 11/1/2012
full name / name of organization:
Critical Perspectives on Tyler Perry--Book Collection
contact email:
tperryanthology@gmail.com
Call for Papers
Critical Perspectives on Tyler Perry
An Edited Book Collection
Due Dates: 6/15/2012 (abstracts); 11/1/2012 (full essays)
Critical Perspectives on Tyler Perry
An Edited Book Collection
Due Dates: 6/15/2012 (abstracts); 11/1/2012 (full essays)
For over a decade now Tyler Perry has entertained popular audiences with live, televised, and filmed performances of signature characters, including his most recognizable character, Madea. While some of his films have sparked public controversies about aesthetics, race, and respectability (or what some have described as the retrogressive and embarrassing nature of his work), Perry’s influence in contemporary media culture is undeniable. For instance, prior to his film career, Perry success on stage (ticket sales, video recordings of the plays, and merchandising) provided him with an estimated $150 million dollars a year. Not only has Perry has directed, produced, or starred in at least one film a year, his role in the television industry is increasing at a comparable rate. He is reportedly working to launch his own network, Tyler TV. Perry is at the center of aggressive media empire and production studio that has released over twenty commercially successful films and videos about parenting, marriage, morality, incest, domestic violence, and trauma in black families.
In light of these facts and the limited critical attention attributed to Perry, we are editing an anthology to examine his role in contemporary media culture. The essays in this edited collection will explore his work from a variety of critical and industrial perspectives by examining his self-presentation and public image as well as the films, television shows, theater performances, reception history, and academic and popular critiques and debates about his work.
Suggested essay topics can include (but are not limited to):
Christianity and Perry's films
Perry and trauma
The Madea films and the cinematic history of black men in drag
Oprah Winfrey and Perry
Television networks and Perry
The television shows (Meet the Browns, House of Payne, etc.)
Perry and "Black Aesthetics"
Perry and genre
The Boondocks “Pause” episode
Black Femininity/Masculinity
Perry’s stage career
Perry’s films and conventions of melodrama
For Colored Girls (2010)
Perry and trauma
The Madea films and the cinematic history of black men in drag
Oprah Winfrey and Perry
Television networks and Perry
The television shows (Meet the Browns, House of Payne, etc.)
Perry and "Black Aesthetics"
Perry and genre
The Boondocks “Pause” episode
Black Femininity/Masculinity
Perry’s stage career
Perry’s films and conventions of melodrama
For Colored Girls (2010)
Please submit abstracts (500 words maximum) along with an academic bio and contact details to tperryanthology@gmail.com by June 15, 2012. Final papers will be 6000-7000 words and should be submitted no later than November 1, 2012. Please address any questions to Karen Bowdre, TreaAndrea Russworm, and Samantha Sheppard to the e-mail listed above.
122 comments:
I do have to wonder about how we explain our efforts at knowledge generation to those outside of our small world--assuming that we ought to feel obligated to (which is an unsettled question).
That's not an unsettled question at all.
With all social "sciences" under fire for failing to meet the minimum basic threshold to qualify as genuine science - if you no longer meet the minimum basic narrative requirements for collective political pacification - which requirements spurred foundations to underwrite the formation of race studies departments in the first place - then the writing is definitely on the wall for race studies.
The masses may be asses, but if you ain't and cain't move'em, then you definitely have zero continuing utility for massa who needs capable and persuasive narrators in place to keep folks from paying any closer attention to the man behind the curtain....,
Sorry, I was a business major and strong advocate for the Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS) system.
I have a limited appreciation for social studies as a whole. Not that some good can't or hasn't come out of them, but that little has.
In fact, I might suggest that laws based on Social Studies by so called academics have been used just as effectively to produce a controlled state as the War On Terror and the War On Drugs.
Not to mention that these studies have advanced what is referred to as Politically Correct Thinking which is defined in most cases as the lack of common sense.
All I need to know about social studies is contained in the founding documents. All men are created equal. I still think racism should be classified as a crime with severe penalties as it violates our founding documents. (I think it was Anon who first brought that idea up.) One could even argue that racism is treasonous against our founding documents and subversive against the nation.
I grant that we as a people and our Government have not been following the Constitution in ideals or as written. Addressing that situation would address many of the problems we are currently experiencing.
Applying KISS, I don't need a study to tell me where Perry is falling short of the good that he could be doing in assisting in creating a positive image and a positive self image for the black community. Which if he was could have a tremendous effect on the rise of black community as a whole.
I'm sure many of you can do a very effective job in doing that. Although, I doubt it will have any effect on what Perry does. His motives seem to be profit driven not society driven.
Perhaps that is the answer to your question about how to make social studies more understandable and applicable to the non academic masses. Show them where the money is. Not where the money is going. Do that, and social studies will start displaying some common sense instead of advocating Political Correctness.
Just simple thoughts from an admittedly simple man. I'm sure more enlightened thoughts are soon to follow. They've worked so well so far.
Of all the social "sciences" economics is far and away the most egregious offender - both - in terms of failing to function as anything remotely scientific - and - as a propagandistic source of narratives in service to the political objectives of TPTB.
So-called "political correctness" takes a distant backseat to the pernicious and perennial lying done by economists on behalf of predatory parasites.
CNu said...
"So-called "political correctness" takes a distant backseat to the pernicious and perennial lying done by economists on behalf of predatory parasites."
I'll agree with that. Other than some of the control laws passed based on Political Correctness.
Some of the stats that economists, especially government employed economists, come out with defy belief regardless of which party is in power. This may be somewhat tasteless although accurate. They remind me of someone urinating on our backs and telling us it's raining.
If that's the type of rain we're getting these days I need to look into moving to a dryer climate.
Cool your jets, boys and girls. There's no debating the validity of the social sciences.
Responsible adults may have differences of opinion regarding how the social sciences should proceed, or the value of some avenues of inquiry, or methodology or God knows what all else, but the fact of their existence, and the necessity of studying that stuff, and yes, even the qualifications of the professionals who do the studies, are beyond question.
So get over it. Just because 2 plus 2 is always 4 in your discipline, that does not reduce the validity of disciplines where 2 plus 2 may be anything from 3 to 6, depending on the circumstances.
fred c said...
"Just because 2 plus 2 is always 4 in your discipline, that does not reduce the validity of disciplines where 2 plus 2 may be anything from 3 to 6, depending on the circumstances."
LOL! That's pretty good Fred. That has got to be one of the best explanations I've ever seen of the difference between progressives and conservatives.
How they are able to get 2+2 to equal 3 or 6 with out getting a headache is beyond my comprehension. I've got to take an aspirin just reading it. :(
you guys are looking at this the wrong way. do you doubt that the substance of the clip is black-on-black racism?
Responsible adults may have differences of opinion regarding how the social sciences should proceed, or the value of some avenues of inquiry, or methodology or God knows what all else, but the fact of their existence, and the necessity of studying that stuff, and yes, even the qualifications of the professionals who do the studies, are beyond question.
rotflmbao....,
the fact of their existence is not in dispute at all.
The question is whether they've ever shown themselves to have any predictive validity even remotely approaching that of any of a genuinely scientific avenue of inquiry and the answer to that question is a CATEGORICAL NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!
the qualifications of the professionals who do these studies are self-determined and self-sustaining like those of any other self-serving professional guild.
In other words, not only the qualifications of, but the value of the deliverable work product of these studies are VERY MUCH open to question and dispute.
As it happens at this moment, this academy as a whole is under fire from multiple simultaneous directions because its pricing has increased 700% over the past 25 years, while its results have declined precipitously - in terms of their real beneficial impact to graduates and the economy into which those graduates are injected.
Other than some of the control laws passed based on Political Correctness.
Is this tea-partier code for something? Cause, I'm not familiar with any "control laws" passed based on political correctness - perhaps you could provide a few examples?
Some of the stats that economists, especially government employed economists, come out with defy belief regardless of which party is in power.
I'm not familiar with any of these "government-employed" economists - however - I know for certain that the federal reserve employs a sizeable army of economists and those jokers are almost always wrong about everything.
Which "government-employed" economists were you referring to, and which of their stats "defy belief"?
@Sledge
Be careful. "LOL! That's pretty good Fred. That has got to be one of the best explanations I've ever seen of the difference between progressives and conservatives."
Given the propaganda system of the right wing media, epistemic closure, and what cognitive psychologists and others have recently discovered it is good old Right wing conservatives of the present stripe who are utterly detached from empirical reality.
But, to those in academia, writers, and others who work in narrow disciplines, how do we "sell" our work to outsiders?
This is the $64K kwestin.
and how did the practitioners of these narrow disciplines get so lost along the way that they altogether ceased to be relevant in the lives of the masses that their pursuits really and truly ought to serve?
"and how did the practitioners of these narrow disciplines get so lost along the way that they altogether ceased to be relevant in the lives of the masses that their pursuits really and truly ought to serve?"
'Tis why I study Biology. Life is always relevant to Life.
@CD
Yeah, I know what you mean. There's some terrific research being done by those psychologists and others. Of course, it is really hard to call it research and new discoveries when their result matches their political opinions to begin with.
@CNu
I haven't tea partied. But I do like tea, especially sweet tea. So I might.
A few Politically Correct Laws and/or regulations enacted with the actual purpose of more government control of citizen lives -
The recent health care law. The recent E.O. aligning U.S. laws and regulations with what ever the United Nations wants. (ie, gun control, sustainable cities, agenda 21, 2000 millenium, Carbon tax, etc,)
The energy departments attack on coal powered plants. The Agriculture Departments attacks on natural food. Commercial waste products (Fluoride) in our water. (Affects the reasoning process of the brain and makes the subject susceptible to suggestion.)
Child welfare laws that have gone over the top in controlling how you raise your kids. ( They come home from elementary school telling their parents that they have rights and will call the police if they are spanked.)
The list goes on and on so I'll end it here with...., and every other law that sticks the governments nose in it's citizens business in ways other than the Constitution envisioned.
Some government employed economist's stats that come to mind which defy belief are the unemployment stats and the jobs created stats provided by the Commerce Department. They are so fudged and off the mark I'm surprised they accept their paychecks for producing them. Oh wait, continuation of a check is why the numbers they produce are so fudged to begin with.
@Sledge. Confederate money. Get into the data, read the books, don't dismiss it because the findings may not agree with your own priors. Sure, we know how "science" does a certain amount of political work. But, start with the premise that biology and environment could determine political worldviews and that we could develop tools to measure it.
In my classes, and I have done this now with hundreds of students (where does the time go), I have them take political personality tests that map them on a score for authoritarian tendencies.
Without a doubt there is a strong correlation between those results and their issue position papers. More authoritarian students tend to be overwhelmingly republican and conservative.
Frightening actually.
This isn't "junk" science. What to do with the findings is a a separate matter.
@CD
Ok, I'll accept what you are saying. You have my email. Send me one of those puppies. LOL!
CD 's request for TP papers is Offensive and has the stench of elitism and smugness and kinda ghetto pettiness ring to it..
Of course CD is entitled to his opinion about TP I am also entitled not to validate nor co-sign his envy driven parochial cheap shot given CD recurrent theme of reminding us how he loathes iggnt poor Black folks this post was to be expected.
For the record I find TP 's body of work has value and merit on a number of layers from securing employment for Black actors to offering up another fictional portrayal of Black folk on film tha does not to have worry about appeasing some arcane artiistic zeitgeist
Just sayin.
Ps.. Can't wait for the call for papers on woody Allen etc who lack Black folks in their scripts and films ...
Oops sorry about that discussing Jewish racism etc not kosher on this site digging into Black folks is the mo of late on WARN
I wish there was away to force everyone to sign in before posting. I can't keep all of these anons straight. You never know if it's someone new or if it's an anon of past posts. At any rate.
@Anon
I, myself, don't want to discuss Woody Allen. In my opinion he should have stared in White Criminals Of the Week several years past. I also don't really to care to discuss Pee Wee Herman. Same reason.
TP's work deserves to be analyzed and deconstructed like everybody else's. If his work is crap, then let us call it crap. There's no reason to cut the man slack because his skin is brown.
Thrasher?
That you?
Or yet another one of the boys you mentor in your mama's basement and who posts anonymous comments to blogs from your PC?
TP's work deserves to be analyzed and deconstructed like everybody else's. If his work is crap, then let us call it crap. There's no reason to cut the man slack because his skin is brown.
D. Money - your comment just dislodged a hard thought.
Do you suppose the forty year long rise of afrodemia, in which black intellectuals write to and for one anothers' edification and acclaim, and in accordance with guild-defined standards of scholarship, accounts in large measure for the severe dearth in substantive black popular intellectual literature?
In other words, cain't be no George Schuyler, James Baldwin or comparable popular heavy hitters anymore - because all that literary intellectual feedstock was hoovered up, normalized, and pasteurized by the academy?
@CNu
Damn CNu. I don't think I've ever seen a hate or a dislike as true as yours for that Thrasher guy. What the heck did that guy do to rise to the top of your shit list?
I read your post and clicked the link and was like, "oh man, CNu hates this guy!"
Note to self - Die before going to prison.
@ CNu,
I am not Thrasher but I do attend his group lectures now and then..Clearly your comments today were over the top but I understand there are many angry low self esteem Black folks like you around who resent his real life persona but in a chat forum everyones got a big dick...
Tragic but such is life..
@ D,
My point is not that TP should be above any critical analysis but WHY is CD twisting the knife since he posted the following:
-his contempt for TP so why engage in this insanity
-his questioning of the very excercise etc..
-his phony love principle disclaimer yet he still indicts and demonizes TP
-the white jewish author( disclosure I know jason riley her Black spouse married to jason riley ) did not even read the Black papers!
-It seems like CD just woke up and went after TP just like white folks would fuck with negroes and coloreds on any sunday day on the other side of the street..
-CD's even concludes this excercise does nothing to augment anything profound
In summary" Just because one can do a thing, does not necessarily mean that they should do a thing."
Just Saying..
It's the smell Sledge, like hot garbage on a crowded bus...,
@Sledge
Before you became a regular on WARN to often CNu would play the Billie with impunity here until Thrasher start breaking him down on many levels from parenting to celebrity and of course Thrasher never hid behind an alias
@CNu
I'm an Afro-nerd, with a preference for fantasy (though I still like Sci-Fi) so my interests are opposite of what's popular. That in mind, my issue with Black popular literature and media is that it's one drab Slice of Life, and/or Baby Boy story after another. Perhaps academia is to blame, but I don't think the social scientists write material that's meant to be entertaining anymore (no wonder they can't sell). Black art's become too commercial. It pushes no boundaries, has no vision, and no imagination or originality. I honestly don't know why TP and the like is such a hit anyway, it's just the Soul Food formula over and over and over. . . .
We don't even have a zombie franchise, when it was African people who created the zombie. What's more Pro-Black than taking the zombie back to it's roots? Forget a Black Jesus movie, the Afrodemia can't even produce an Egyptesque fantasy setting, yet we all complain about how the Egyptians are incorrectly portrayed by White actors. Even the Japanese fiddle around with Egyptian myth. Geez.
@Anon
I don't see any contempt of Tyler Perry himself. I see contempt for the Brotha's work. Though CD hadn't broken down why he hold's TP's work in contempt, I think he's thought it through a lot.
As for myself, I find his work formulaic, Slice of Life boredom. I wouldn't be interested unless it was really good anyway.
Actually, instead of Slice of Life, I think most Black media is more properly described as glorified Soap Operas
@D
Easy. He is a new age race minstrel. His playing with cross dressing and transvestism in the laziest ways possible by the way, masculinize black women, and the image of Madea also feminizes black men. It really is old hat right out of the late 19th and early 20th century race minstrel catalog. Sad that black people buy into their own debasement so easily.
@Anon. You should really come up with a name to sign your posts btw.
That is not my call for papers it is a real one. Why is that not fair game?
I love black people. I love them so much that I tell them the truth about themselves. Tyler Perry, his ilk, fans, and those who enable them have done at least as much harm to black people as any white racist exec, showrunner, or ceo in hollywood.
If you cannot look at Meet the Browns and see it for the hellishness that it is, you are are indeed proof of this country's failed school system. I have lost IQ points just typing the title of the show, I do not want to imagine what it does to the cognitive processes of those who watch it for more than 1 or 2 minutes.
I don't care who Perry employs--that is not a qualifier or excuse or explanation for determining how a given enterprise does not support, nourish, and empower black humanity and personhood.
There were many thousands (likely) of Africans employed in the slave trade. To my knowledge there were black slave breakers and drivers here during the slaveocracy. Those were "gainful employment" too. No excuses there.
Again, why the obsession with jewish people? Are you NOI or did a moil do a job on you during your circumcision. Help me understand this fixation.
@Sledge. Here is a start.
http://www.salon.com/2009/10/11/weiler/
notice the findings explained in the middle of the interview about party id, voting, and authoritarianism as of the late 1980s/early 1990s.
Are there 500 words in the English language for minstrel, buffoon, blackface, shuck, and jive?
@CD
Proud authoritarian. LOL!
Although, apparently I'm not alone. The Democrats who voted for Hillary in the primary were classified as authoritarians too.
So if that article is to be believed all conservatives and roughly a little under half the Democrats are authoritarians.
I disagree with the assumption that authoritarians from either party fall in lock step behind their party and trust the party leaders. I think at present there a multitude of people in both parties that don't trust their party leadership.
And for good reason.
CD,
I will come up with a name once you start posting without ana alias
In regards to your reply Please spare me the posturing and your boilerplate love principle nonsense.. you are no different than me and others no one gives TP a free pass nor other Black folks who can impact our community..
Meet the Browns is fiction not less than Huck Finn which was fiction yet people like you and others drool over it..
Your attempt to frame TP as a slave trader is a reach and reveals you are really grabbing for some validation here since you really can's defeat my comments no measure up to them.
Finally unlike you I don't ignore the racism of the other white meat ...I inserted Woody Allen in the same vien you inserted TP ..It is interesting how you give jewish artists and interests a pass but not WASPS etc..Perhaps it you with some jewish issues??
In any event I don't with draw none of my comments on this issue. I think your attacks on TP are petty and without any merit that matters..
TP can make second rate films and plays for decades and still have more value and utility than the majority of any white, jewish, asian, indian film maker to-date..
Stop hating....
@Sledge. You need to read a bit more carefully. As the previous part of the interview explains authoritarianism is now replacing other variables as the strongest predictor of party id. That is a huge finding.
Nuance matters. Yes, this is a trait among voters across party lines. Much more so among Republicans--it determines who identifies as such. Yes, those white working class voters--what would have been Reagan Dems in another election cycle--leaned towards Hillary more than Obama. This makes sense given how racial animus works for that cohort.
One claim is not exclusive of the other. If you can read that clear interview as suggesting that both party's voters are equally motivated by authoritarianism then you should review it.
One of the challenges with social science research, especially when it hits home, is that folks are often upset, resent it, can't reconcile it with how they imagined their own motivations and behavior. My suggestion to students is always, "okay, you are an outlier then." Deal with the claim itself from a dispassionate point of view.
Looking at the white populist of the Tea Party, birtherism, support for Bush, etc. etc., Fox News, the Right wing blogosphere, and down the line it is pretty clear that authoritarianism is the trend of the day for Right.
Part of that is because the responsible adults in the room have been drummed out by the right wing populists. Who knows if the GOP is even capable of being salvaged at this point.
@Anonthrashersupplicant.
"Stop hatin'" is the lowest form of rebuttal. That is something more fitting to come out of the mouth of a pants saggin ign't troglodyte told that he needs to stop showing his drawers to the public than for a grown ass man talking about adult business.
@D
Yawn elevate us please you are just utterIng the usual tropes about TP
Black artists can be as marginal as white artists this is what you and CD fail to comprehend TP is not obligated to bee super negroes WTF
Tired boilerplate criticisms of TP is equally a low form of rebuttable of course I have provided much more of course your petty remarks is just is not what I expect from a grown ass man do practice what you preach and take your own advice
But of course you can not get pass your blind spot about poor Black folks just keep peeling away your true nature . You are revealing when folks push back but I expected asynchronous since you post under an alias and your reactions when people get in your grill in here
@Anon
"Tired boilerplate criticisms of TP is equally a low form of rebuttable of course I have provided much more of course your petty remarks is just is not what I expect from a grown ass man do practice what you preach and take your own advice
But of course you can not get pass your blind spot about poor Black folks just keep peeling away your true nature . You are revealing when folks push back but I expected asynchronous since you post under an alias and your reactions when people get in your grill in here"
What the hell did you just write? Asynchronous? Grill? Boilerplate--if it is true, hang your hat on it. Is it boilerplate to describe water as wet?
Tyler Perry is a new age race minstrel. It isn't complicated. Are you on this payroll?
TP is many things from actor to film maker and business man he is no more of a new age race minstrel than Obama and his tired act of pandering to white folks
Your angst over TP is amusing and pitiful amazing how you can vomit over TP with ease in some twisted sense of racial nobility to show us as you post earlier you get down on blacks folks by telling the truth ...
You want a reward for claiming to tough on the black poor and easy targets like TP .. Real black of ya mask man
In summary this is what we get in the chatter class era alias critics who think they are providing some progressive purpose by giving tough reviews on Black people ...,WTF
This is clusterfuck premise CD woke up today and reached for a easy target to illustrate to us how noble he is by pissin on TP reminds me of so many white folks who for the hell of it use black folks as scapegoats
I am outta here this us not what I want from WARN
CD said..
"Who knows if the GOP is even capable of being salvaged at this point."
You could be right. Time is going to tell. But looking around at the situations Obama is having to deal with before the election.(Of his own making I might add.) I would have to guess that the same question is going to be asked about the Democrat Party two weeks into November.
But it's still early yet. We'll see if the master of smooth talk, the Democrat members of congress, and the non authoritarians can turn their boat around.
That's a tall order though. I'd say the only way they'd be able to pull it off is if Romney picks Bush Jr. or Cheney as his running mate.
I can see Limbaugh, Hannity, and Rove banging their heads into their desks now. That would be pretty funny!
I'n not a Republican, I'm an independent. Although, you've about got me convinced to see if I can get an authoritarian party started up. LOL!
@Anon
"TP is many things from actor to film maker and business man"
Then how is TP an easy target? You've yet to defend his work. Are we supposed to hold our negative opinions against his work, 'cause he Black? You're right, White artist can suck as much as Black artists can. And Black artist deserve to be told they suck, just like White artists. You think I, or anyone else, cuts Stephanie Meyer slack because she's a woman? HELL NO! And her success doesn't make the stench of her Twilight series go away.
But you do love the underside of Blackness, don't 'cha? For you, critique in and of itself is an act of race betrayal (now that is a usual trope.) Like my mentor, Dr. Santiago, I expect Black excellence. Not to make Whites respect us, but to make us respect us. And excellence requires standards and critique. So, I'm afraid we are at an impasse.
I'll be here, nerd that I am, waiting for the Black Lord of the Rings.
We don't even have a zombie franchise, when it was African people who created the zombie. What's more Pro-Black than taking the zombie back to it's roots?
African people who created the zombie.
African people who created the zombie!
African people who created the zombie!!!
lol@Truth!
Accept no substitutes...,
What we need here and now is a beautiful and treacherous Sofia Vergara (Martha Gaskin) in Bogota working in tandem with a hard and ruthless Sandman type mastermind (Henry Belsidus) to establish the Pan-American devil's breath pipeline.
Can you see it now, the Devil's Breath trafficking and widespread deployment in cities all across America, as wave after wave of mind-wiped, pliable, and memory-clouded white conservative is led to do ___________________________?
@CNu
Now that is an excellent premise. Resident Evil's in trouble.
We Black folk have so much superstitious and paranormal traditions and beliefs it's a wonder we aren't the Masters of Horror. Ancestral Guardian Spirits + Pissed off Slaves = macabre Urban fantasy.
Yet again you have offered up predictable excuses and pedestrian tropes coupled if course with your misinterpretation of my talking points. I am not an apologist for TP nor a Black person who views critical views against all things Blackbas being done race traitor thinker that us the tired trope you hang around your neck like CD to noble or in your case some silly Black Nerd
Like that hot garbage stinking bum on the crowded bus, Thrasher's "going away" is at best a very temporary reprieve from the stench.
CNu said...
"Can you see it now, the Devil's Breath trafficking and widespread deployment in cities all across America, as wave after wave of mind-wiped, pliable, and memory-clouded white conservative is led to do ___________________________?"
Ahhh, Yeah. You'll pardon me if I don't get too excited and gung ho about that idea. There's just something a little disturbing about the plot of that series story board for me.
Although, TP or BET might find that series concept profitable.
CNu,
Get a grip man Mr. Thrasher left this site many moons ago..Jezus you got issues...
Now that is an excellent premise. Resident Evil's in trouble.
sheeeeeeeiiiitttt........,
The operation would be launched in megachurches nationwide
Devil's breath into pale-sheeple church ventilation systems
Thousands of hateful beady-eyed sheep taken down and programmed in a single swoop
Sandman shearing sheep of their cash donations for Gawd's work
Walk out with the offerings and leave'em doing the Ted Haggard with one another
crazed, dazed and glazed....,
video that isht for youtube.
I can hear the Adolph Caesar promo for that flick right now...,
(aaah-yeah...., it takes me back to 1972, saturday nights at the Uptown Drive-In theatre)
the afrofuturistic sky was formerly the limit..., bound only by imagination, determination, and application.
(lol - along with all that fine carioca curvature - mebbe that's what got ahold of all those secret service and DEA busters in Cartagena?)
Ahhh, Yeah. You'll pardon me if I don't get too excited and gung ho about that idea. There's just something a little disturbing about the plot of that series story board for me.
lol,
but I ain't see you make not nary a peep about that old fruity cooning that Tyler Perry palms off on the masses...,
CNu said...
"but I ain't see you make not nary a peep about that old fruity cooning that Tyler Perry palms off on the masses...,"
Well I did peep to the effect that Perry's goal seems to be profit rather than curing society's ills in regards to race or black self image.
That's the meat of the deal. Perry is getting paid. That wouldn't be happening if he didn't have an audience. I don't know his demographics concerning age, sex and race. But there is a large enough segment of population that wants what he produces whether it is escapism or otherwise.
It might be that he thinks others, possibly a Denzel Washington, Morgan Freeman, Halle Berry, Louis Gossett, Jr., or other Academy Award winners and nominees, are better situated or qualified deliver the societal message.
IDK, but for me, it's hard to fault a man who's getting paid like he's getting paid by satisfying his audience.
Then again, in essence, drug dealers do the same thing don't they? Which means I'm just not qualified to be a moral compass.
IDK, but for me, it's hard to fault a man who's getting paid like he's getting paid by satisfying his audience.
Why do you find it difficult to say that hot garbage smells rotten?
CNu said...
"Why do you find it difficult to say that hot garbage smells rotten?"
Read my profile. Quote:
"I try to be respectful of others and to hold my temper in check. Sometimes I try harder than at other times."
When I say I don't start shit with people it's the truth. It's a promise I made my wife and it has lead me to become the person I am today. I've only broken it once in recent years and that asshat had it coming.
Here Sledge, I'll spoon feed it to you from one of your ideological exemplars - the entire Tyler Perry strategy, and the thinking behind it, was laid out in detail by Ayn Rand, in the 1943 novel, "The Fountainhead":
"Kill man's sense of values. Kill his capacity to recognize greatness or to achieve it. Great men can't be ruled. We don't want any great men. Don't deny the conception of greatness. Destroy it from within. The great is the rare, the difficult, the exceptional. Set up standards of
achievement open to all, to the least, to the most inept - and you stop the impetus to effort in all men, great or small. You stop all incentive to improvement, to excellence, to perfection. Laugh at Roark and hold Peter Keating as a great architect. You've destroyed architecture. Build up Lois Cook and you've destroyed literature. Hail Ike and you've destroyed the theatre. Glorify Lancelot Clokey and you've destroyed the press. Don't set out to raze all shrines - you'll frighten men. Enshrine mediocrity - and the shrines are razed. Then there's another way. Kill by laughter. Laughter is an instrument of human joy. Learn to use it as a weapon of destruction. Turn it into a sneer. It's simple. Tell them to laugh at everything. Tell them that a sense of humour is an unlimited virtue. Don't let anything remain sacred in a man's soul - and his soul won't be sacred to him. Kill reverence and you've killed the hero in man. One doesn't reverence with a giggle. He'll obey and he'll set no limits to his obedience - anything goes - nothing is too serious.... Nature allows no vacuum. Empty man's soul and the space is yours to fill."
Still struggling with hot garbage?
Sledge,
I salute your 'golden rule'
CNu is a pitiful example of a person without any substance ..I question the merit of any person who cannot define their existence but instead leans on the constructs of others to define one self..
CNu is a pretender a wanna be who is trapped by his own failures and shortcomings like many brilliant Black souls who were slayed by this culture CNu's reactioary posture is to demonize not the oppressor but other Black folks who mirrors his image..
Notice the viseral depth of his rage and contempt for Mr. Thrasher it is off the charts and this is just a internet forum!!
It the sales market one is told never to demonize your competition in your presentation it is not about them but what you bring to the table..
I used to pity CNu because I understand how this culture has wounded hi voltage Black intellectuals...But I have learned not to waste my pity on the arrogant for they will not inherit the world...
Just sayin
@CNu
Ayn Rand my ideological exemplar? LOL! Really? You think?
I'm a simple guy CNu but I look at everything with a critical eye and take nothing at face value. Especially if it comes out of someone else's mind other than my own.
I'm not out to save the world or anyone other than family in it. Because I don't have that capability or authority. So I watch the world do what the world does and I react to what I think will affect me or mine.
So I don't worry about what the Perrys of the world do. I have no control over them or the people who follow them.
To me it's each individuals responsibility to cut(think) through the clutter and agendas to see the world as it is and react for their own benefit. I can't do it for them.
Even if I could it would go against my basic nature. I put little stock into what academics, gurus, researchers, and what all other self appointed experts say or write. Unless I can prove it myself through logic or personal experience. So why would I expect anyone else to believe I have any answers for them.
They should figure things out for themselves with their own brains, or not.
If people want to watch Perry, MSNBC, FOX, or anything else it has little effect on what I think and do. So I'm good with it.
Are they ingesting hot, steaming piles of garbage into their minds? With the effect of garbage in, garbage out. Probably. But it's their brains. As long as it doesn't effect me they can stuff them full of whatever they want.
Being a simple guy has it's benefits.
Anon I think your evaluation of CNu is incorrect. It wouldn't change your mind to tell you why.
But you are looking at him with in a reactionary and superficial manner. Look deeper. There's a lot there. :)
From another Anon
@sledge
"I think your evaluation of CNu is incorrect."
Did it ever occur to you that the other Anon knows more about CNut, I mean CNu, than you do? Perhaps it's your evaluation that's incorrect.
@Anonymous
Stay Anonymous. That's best around here.
@freebones
"you guys are looking at this the wrong way. do you doubt that the substance of the clip is black-on-black racism?"
Whatever do you mean? There is no such thing as black-on-black racism.
Oops. I'll get the hang of this eventually.
lol sledge, I hope you realize that when in the course of a single comment thread you zig-zag from a purported big gubmint unrestricted free market econometric critique of the Hon.Bro.Preznit's policies to "garsh, darn, shucks, golly gee, I've got no idea or opinion about fruity coonery" - that "simple-guy" schtick starts looking a little threadbare.
A less charitable soul might be inclined to say you're in urgent need of roughage and generous hydration....,
Sledge
Nomad is correc it is U who should revisit your views on CNu
CNu said
"I hope you realize that when in the course of a single comment thread you zig-zag from a purported big gubmint unrestricted free market econometric critique of the Hon.Bro.Preznit's policies to "garsh, darn, shucks, golly gee, I've got no idea or opinion about fruity coonery" - that "simple-guy" schtick starts looking a little threadbare."
It's like I said CNu. It depends on what affects me. If it doesn't affect me I don't care. If it does affect me I care a lot.
That's pretty simple. As to my need for generous hydration. If your buying I'm drinking. LOL!
Sledge
What kind of spell does CNu have over you besides his anti-negro rants which white posters love to affirm in Black sites ( always good to find a Black conservative when a poster is white and has issues with Black folk)..
Of course you should know Black folks like CNu know how to solict white posters like you...CNu is a clever creature but so is Pee Wee Herman in some quarters....Just Sayin
@Anon
Cnu's anti negro rants? I must have missed those. Or more accurately, I interpreted his words differently looking for their actual meaning. I'd have to say that CNu is pro negro. But I know you don't see that.
By the way, I recall agreeing with you a few times. What kind of spell do you have over me? You're not one of those black folks who know how to solicit white posters are you? LOL!
Did it ever occur to you that the other Anon knows more about CNut, I mean CNu, than you do? Perhaps it's your evaluation that's incorrect.
lol, Mad Murphy helplessly and addictively back at those very same antics that got his crusty old-azz taken out to the curb in the first place.
I'm going to be honest with you - my differences with blacker-than-thou individuals of a certain specific vintage (60-something) - who are bound and determined to justify and excuse any and all forms of black cultural degeneracy, and by extension their own irredeemable personal and cultural failures - borders on the existential.
It's the smell....,
@Anon
"Yet again you have offered up predictable excuses and pedestrian tropes coupled if course with your misinterpretation of my talking points. I am not an apologist for TP nor a Black person who views critical views against all things Blackbas being done race traitor thinker that us the tired trope you hang around your neck like CD to noble or in your case some silly Black Nerd"
Than prove us wrong and refute our excuses; defend TP or be silent. My mentor stressed the importance of the Dialectic, arriving at the truth with logical arguments. You've offered nothing short of disdain towards the argument itself, which seems to me very typical of an authoritarian moron.
@Anon
Con't
I'm scientifically minded; I loath people who cannot defend their ideas and opinions logically.
"Cnu's anti negro rants? I must have missed those."
BWAAAAHAHA!
He didn't even notice. To him everything CNut said and did was quite normal. I believe they call that the white racial frame.
I mean notice the rhetoric. Straight out of Amos and Andy:
"lol, Mad Murphy helplessly and addictively back at those very same antics that got his crusty old-azz taken out to the curb in the first place."
There is no substance here. Just ad hominem attacks.
It's all about trying to smear black (only black) posters racially. I, and I am sure some silent others, find this offensive.
I have no idea what the delusional guy is referring to but, ain't it ironic that the only people with license to use antiblack hate speech are blacks themselves? That such people continue to engage in this rhetoric simply boggles the mind.
Your repeated use of my name only underscores your treachery. It's like saying, "Folks, never log in to CNut's blog. He will unscrupulously use your email info".
laff on dat
Your repeated use of my name only underscores your treachery
{{{{{{"my treachery"}}}}}}
rotflmbao....,
jiggaboo puh-leeze?!?!?!?!
You been selling "stand your ground" woof tickets ever since you initially embarked on your ill-considered emotional-negroe gambit to chastise me.
All the while you been writing me love poems and whoopin your silly gums, I could have trivially cut you off at the knees, but then I told you as much from the word "Go", didn't I?
Considering your abject failure of discrimination, piss poor choice of "allies", and borderline obsessive fixation on me - I think I've been remarkably lenient with you, you madcap.
So where is the science !!!! All I get from you is your hollow claims of being a nerd !!
Provide at least some emperical data or stop with your alleged bravado!!!
Observing CNu attempts to be the noble negro ( a recurrent theme in here) is boring and is a dying paradigm especially in this forum.
The contrarian bit is passé and so impotent ...
I study Biology, I said as much earlier in this thread. My nerdiness characterizes my hobbies, nothing more.
I've no interest in critiquing TP. The genre doesn't interest me so I'm biased from the start. CD is interested in placing TP under the microscope, which irks you. As a commenting observer, your dialectic performance against CD leaves much to be desired. Not that I need to say that, CD isn't taking you seriously anymore.
@Anon
Here, I'll make it easy for you:
He is a new age race minstrel.
This is called an introduction, CD presents his thesis at the beginning his short written piece. Then like any good writer, he argues in favor of his thesis.
His playing with cross dressing and transvestism in the laziest ways possible by the way, masculinize black women, and the image of Madea also feminizes black men.
An analysis of the prevailing tropes in TP's work and the crux of CD's argument. This is the part you would refute with logical argument.
It really is old hat right out of the late 19th and early 20th century race minstrel catalog.
Here, CD places his statement in historical context to further reinforce his argument.
Sad that black people buy into their own debasement so easily
Closing statement.
D,
It is quite apparent you are not at a top flight University given your 2nd rate template for analysis ( which was not impressive but did reveal your margainal status and confirmed for me you are not at a top flight University).
Yet again instead of documenting to me you are a good echo and CD cheerleader and template copier Please offer up some emperical proof of your skill set and Nerdiness..
What troubles me about CD's hollow rant about TP is that it advances nothing except some pettiness agenda of his..
What troubles me about shallow impotent posters like you who also have nothing of merit to offer is how you piggy backed CD's empty narrative to promote your own silliness as if we really cared that you were a NERD..No Shit...lol,lol
Now step up or get stepped on...
Just saying
@Anon
It is quite apparent you are not at a top flight University given your 2nd rate template for analysis ( which was not impressive but did reveal your margainal status and confirmed for me you are not at a top flight University).
Eh, I was never a gifted writer.
Yet again instead of documenting to me you are a good echo and CD cheerleader and template copier Please offer up some emperical proof of your skill set and Nerdiness..
Skill set? Well, I am still a humble student. I do make intuitive leaps within and beyond my field. For example, String theory allows for the possibility of a
multiverse. String theory also describes gravitons as a closed string, meaning it can diffuse across brains. This simultaneously explains why gravity is so weak and the phenomena of dark matter. That is, dark matter is an illusion caused by the diffusion of gravitons from other universes.
Just my little pet hypothesis.
What troubles me about CD's hollow rant about TP is that it advances nothing except some pettiness agenda of his..
Most arguments, most writing period, is indicative of an agenda. I do love how agenda is supposed to have some sort of ominous ring to it.
What troubles me about shallow impotent posters like you who also have nothing of merit to offer is how you piggy backed CD's empty narrative to promote your own silliness as if we really cared that you were a NERD..No Shit...lol,lol
I get the feeling you don't like me. . . .
Treacherous. Look it up.
Jiggaboo puh lease is not a refutation, but a confirmation of all that I have said. I have no need to repeat myself. It's all down in black in white.
I must have really struck a nerve for you to sink to such petty levels of vitriol. But, word, dude. The smoke screen ain't working. You can only cry jiggaboo so many times before it becomes boring and bizarre.
R.I.P. Mad Murphy
yet another ill-fitting, out-of-date, and empty black suit utterly Thrashed by my implacable disdain...,
IDK Anon. You might want to consider asking Mr. Thrasher to get to the part in your training where he covers winning friends and influencing people.
'Cause I'm thinking he hasn't touched base with you on that subject yet.
@D
I wouldn't worry too much about Anon's personal attacks. He seems to say a lot of things he really doesn't mean. He's just been sort of grouchy lately. He must be filled with a lot of negative feelings. I'm sure his Mr. Thrasher is trying to help him through it.
@sledge
Oh, I'm not worried in the slightest.
"R.I.P. Mad Murphy
yet another ill-fitting, out-of-date, and empty black suit utterly Thrashed by my implacable disdain...,"
Listen to this childish crap. Wouldn't you expect someone as educated (notice I didn't say intelligent) as CNut to be, I dunno, wittier?
Well at least he didn't trot out the old "jiggaboo" line. Maybe that's what's really dead. Maybe I killed it. He certainly is not going to be using it as liberally as he used to.
RIP, Jiggaboo.
Psst, CNut. You're tilting at windmills, dude. I don't know who this Anon guy is, but he ain't me. You've successfully wished me away. I would say that your nightmare is over, but you've stll got Thrasher's protege to deal with. And this new Anon seems to have taken up my cause to obliterate the "jiggaboo". You've got so many Anonymi mad at you I guess you'll never really know who it is that's kicking your ass.
Sledge
How come candid comments are viewed on such an emotional state?
This is a chat forum not a date site. Intellectuals are often do devoid of the capacity to handle dissent and objections do they always become defensive.
D cam into the site posturing about being a nerd etc yet when challenged he could not deliver. You on the other hand have matured in WARN but you still carry a slight gurge;-)
According to Mr. Thrasher this happens often in here people hold grudges when their paradigms are challenge he was right as I have observed in here
Nomad
You are on point as usual especially in regard to CNu folks are tired of his angry labels
@Anon
"D cam into the site posturing about being a nerd etc yet when challenged he could not deliver."
Lol, what? Do you want to see my receipt for a yearly subscription to Game Informer? Lol!
What do I have to prove to someone with no substance to his comments. I may not be a great writer, but I at least know what I'm about. All you've done is dissent (without refutation), and march in lock-step behind Mr. Trasher like a sheep. You've no purpose, no ambition of your own, at least as far as I can tell. Word of advice: get away from your mentor. Students cannot mature whilst continuing to sit at the feet of their teachers
'Till then, I'm not threatened by you. I've already presented my paradigm in another thread and you haven't challenged it. In all likelihood, you agree with me. Your just making attacks on my character, alleged hobbies, and qualification. As you said, this is neither a dating site, nor a job interview.
Analyze TP's work, not one's motivations for placing him beneath the microscope. BTW, it seems Mr. Thrasher has no problem greenlighting similar opinions of TP's work.
Well at least he didn't trot out the old "jiggaboo" line. Maybe that's what's really dead. Maybe I killed it. He certainly is not going to be using it as liberally as he used to.
rotflmbao...,
Every.single.one.of.you.JIGGABOOS can kiss my whole and entire ass.
sheeeeiiiittt....,
I say jiggaboo five hundred times a day just to keep my teeth shiny and white!
My mentor agenda does not include tired angst filled narratives about TP and his empire.BTW my mentor is the most commented author on Vox Union his work is published and acknowledged in many venues and circles.,
The words of your mentor:
"Many in our community enjoy the role of being docile and losers. Far to many Black folks have abandoned our collective pride to chase the arrogance of selfishness and ego. In many venues of the Black community we donate our personhood with glee and bravado to be insulted and ridiculed. We sometimes write the scripts of ignorance and then we cast ourselves with a twisted sense of pride and glee."
Would you say TP fits the bill of Thrasher's description? If he does, should he not be called on it?
BTW this is some awesome writing but to your question the body of work TP is nothing like this it is just the opposite
TP is an employer, entrepreneur , writer , actor, artist and so much more!!!!
I know what he is, what is in question is the quality of his art. You find nothing disturbing or debasing about his work?
"I say jiggaboo five hundred times a day just to keep my teeth shiny and white!"
That's the spirit! Drown in your own venom.
He is an artist who like twain and others they write fiction...
Remember beauty is in the eye of the beholder I find it interesting how oppressed people react to the works of other oppressed people with such venom and dogged perspectives
It is twisted how we dissect our artists yet give passes to others ( woody Allen etc)
I believe our artists must be dissected more than anyone else, as their art reflects how we look at ourselves; a brutally honest look in the mirror. If we are unable to challenge and criticize our own thinking, we will always be susceptible to mental bondage.
What white people, such as Woody Allen, think of us only matters for as long as they have power over us. Truth be told, their sickness and hate is irrelevant before tangible Black Power. Rob them of power, and their racism and negrophobia will be reduced to petty and impotent bigotry. Beyond acknowledging that White people are still racist, there's little reason to invest in picking their brains. It doesn't matter if they hate us if we don't have to consort with them for education, employment, finance, security, and sustenance.
You are deflecting and now your comments lack revelance . I inserted Allen not to discuss white racism or Black power but to point out the flawed analysis of CD.
There is no doubt about the impact of racism in our nation and it has impacted the cultural behavior of Black folk . Some of us have been wounded others have this need to compare and even demonize other Black folk . I opine that these types of essays are examples of this inner pathology in out community.
TP is not obligated to produce work to represent some noble image of Black folk plus art is always subjective
D.
Beyond acknowledging that White people are still racist, there's little reason to invest in picking their brains. It doesn't matter if they hate us if we don't have to consort with them for education, employment, finance, security, and sustenance.
lol, smart, sane, engaged and productive people have to consort with smart, sane, engaged and productive people - period.
Damaged people whose hurty feelings have reduced them to unproductive cognitive cripples should be shunned.
If you're incapable of freeing yourself from wounded-ness, you're an untrustworthy broken machine - period.
I believe our artists must be dissected more than anyone else, as their art reflects how we look at ourselves; a brutally honest look in the mirror. If we are unable to challenge and criticize our own thinking, we will always be susceptible to mental bondage.
"Our"?!?!?!
Don't believe the hype.
"If you're incapable of freeing yourself from wounded-ness, you're an untrustworthy broken machine - period."
Look who's talking.
CNu has lost his contrarian persona in here clearly he is what he hates... I am glad others are tired of his self hate drivel and babble
BTW I must congratulate you for shutting down CNu 'jiggabo ' rants ....
Two questions:
1) Cnu commented about the dearth of intellectual heavy hitters, like George Schuyler and James Baldwin, outside of the academy and its ivory tower or some other formal institution, e.g. a newspaper, think tank. Do you think it’s part of a general, long-term societal trend of an increasing need to be credentialed in some kind of way? Seems to me that now no one can make a name for him or herself and be considered a heavy hitter without receiving the official stamp of some institution.
2) Has there been any demographic analysis of the people who enjoy TPs work, both back when he was primarily known for his plays and now? I ask because many of the critiques of any expressed distaste for TP have been that said distaste is elitist, classist. I’ve also seen “poor black people” invoked a lot. Are TPs fans overwhelmingly poor or lower class? Seriously asking the question . . .
@CNu
lol, smart, sane, engaged and productive people have to consort with smart, sane, engaged and productive people - period.
Damaged people whose hurty feelings have reduced them to unproductive cognitive cripples should be shunned.
If you're incapable of freeing yourself from wounded-ness, you're an untrustworthy broken machine - period.
There will always be an exchange of ideas, products, technology etc, between people. Feelings are secondary to knowledge. The question is should we educate and employ ourselves, in the face of failing American standards and institutional racism, or not?
The American system of production is an unsustainable monstrosity that must undergo radical transformation in any event. It is imperative that you bear in mind that failing American standards lower all boats and imperil all passengers.
At the end of the day, America is the wealthiest, most physically secure, and food and resource secure geography on the face of the earth. All Americans are uniquely fortunate to be here.
Schuyler was making a way for himself in 1919 at the height of Jim Crow and legalized racial discrimination and actual terroristic violence.
Anybody still crying about institutional racism in 2012 is useless to begin with.
I don't say that in defense of a post-racial fantasy, surely racism still exists. I say it as a direct and uncompromising assault on the weakness and uselessness of anyone insufficient to the task of overcoming it in this day and age.
1) Cnu commented about the dearth of intellectual heavy hitters, like George Schuyler and James Baldwin, outside of the academy and its ivory tower or some other formal institution, e.g. a newspaper, think tank. Do you think it’s part of a general, long-term societal trend of an increasing need to be credentialed in some kind of way? Seems to me that now no one can make a name for him or herself and be considered a heavy hitter without receiving the official stamp of some institution.
Sistah Ellemarie goes straight to the heart of the matter!!!!
When the last time you saw an intellectually dangerous black person on teevee sis?!?!?!
Jonathan Capeheart?
Melitha Harrith Perry?
Revrun Al?
Juan Williams?
Eugene Robinson?
Harold Ford Jr.?
Karen Finney (ok, time to tap my brakes, I can look Karen Finney for days without regard to what she talkin bout)
But you get my drift?
REALLY?!?!?!?!?!
I mean DAYYUM!!! Could we get even just one brotha with a little bass left in his voice?!?!?!?!
Seriously and without exception, there are NO, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA intellectually dangerous black voices in the black public sphere any longer - and I lay all of that at the feet of afrodemia - which to my historical understanding, has been the single least expensive, least bloody, political counterinsurgency of ALL time....,
oops - least expensive, least bloody, MOST EFFECTIVE political counterinsurgency - of ALL time...,
@CNu
The American system of production is an unsustainable monstrosity that must undergo radical transformation in any event. It is imperative that you bear in mind that failing American standards lower all boats and imperil all passengers.
Fair enough, and duly noted. Though I'm curious: in your opinion, how far must we go to transform it, and what is the product we should aim to create?
Anybody still crying about institutional racism in 2012 is useless to begin with.
I don't say that in defense of a post-racial fantasy, surely racism still exists. I say it as a direct and uncompromising assault on the weakness and uselessness of anyone insufficient to the task of overcoming it in this day and age.
And it would overcome through placing the utmost importance on intellect, education, ingenuity, science, technology, industry, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong. I merely acknowledge its existence; it shouldn't be central in our political agenda, the aforementioned virtues should. I feel we've wasted time, rather than simply being the best we can be (in the political sphere, that is).
"Anybody still crying about institutional racism in 2012 is useless to begin with."
He either there is none or, there is but it should not be addressed.
In either case. Total and utter nonsense.
"Anybody still crying about institutional racism in 2012 is useless to begin with."
He means either there is none or, there is but it should not be addressed.
In either case. Total and utter nonsense.
And it would overcome through placing the utmost importance on intellect, education, ingenuity, science, technology, industry, etc.
Bingo! A culture of competence.
Competent people have neither the time or the inclination to whine about others not liking them.
Matter fact, only one kind of psyche inclines to that sort of insufferable neediness...,
No wonder his notions are so twisted. He's based them on arrested understanding of what constitutes racism. " others not liking them."
As CNut often says himself, rotflmbao...,
Try to keep up anonymous dumbass...,
We established a long time ago that racism is economic exploitation as if across species lines.
However, since the advent of the CRM, Fair Housing, etc..., what exactly are white folks doing to you that meets the above criteria?
Nothing.
Many still just don't like you.
Legally and otherwise, they can't do a dayyum thing to you - and you're free to be as economically successful as you're capable of being.
You just mad because I don't feel disliked, oppressed, or any other way constrained - and so quite naturally - cannot commiserate with you, and frankly, have no use for you.
Seriously and without exception, there are NO, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH, NADA intellectually dangerous black voices in the black public sphere any longer - and I lay all of that at the feet of afrodemia
Cnu – do you think this is an issue within the black academy (“afrodemia”) only? The decline of a radical political orientation of the black academy is part of a larger problem. The academy in general has been practically neutered it seems. The conservative movement has been quite effective in constructing and maintaining the narrative that colleges and universities are bastions of radical leftist/ socialist/ commie politics, and it seems that those of a progressive orientation within the academy have felt compelled to keep themselves out of politics.
You hold the black academy to a higher standard. I don’t think that’s wrong. Black folks (and others who have had the boots of various –isms on their necks) are in an ideal position to rigorously critique and question the underlying assumptions of the status quo, but that can be dangerous career-wise. I think it would also be exhausting (maybe even spirit-crushing for some) because of the outsider status/position you would have to maintain in order to sustain the critique. I don’t know how comfortable I would be with making that kind of a demand on black academics, although I understand the need for the critique to be made. It takes a whole lot of intestinal fortitude to stand on the outside.
Cnu – do you think this is an issue within the black academy (“afrodemia”) only?
I do not.
I believe that most of the social "sciences" are handwavy and subjective.
I believe that the hardest of the social "sciences" economics is outright fraudulent and propagandistic.
I believe that race studies is contextualized, subsumed, and falls within the parameters of these other soft, subjective, liberal arts disciplines.
The decline of a radical political orientation of the black academy is part of a larger problem. The academy in general has been practically neutered it seems. The conservative movement has been quite effective in constructing and maintaining the narrative that colleges and universities are bastions of radical leftist/ socialist/ commie politics, and it seems that those of a progressive orientation within the academy have felt compelled to keep themselves out of politics.
bloodless, inexpensive, profoundly effective political counterinsurgency at its finest.
You hold the black academy to a higher standard. I don’t think that’s wrong. Black folks (and others who have had the boots of various –isms on their necks) are in an ideal position to rigorously critique and question the underlying assumptions of the status quo, but that can be dangerous career-wise.
If your career depends on going along to get along with a highly subjective status quo...,
I think it would also be exhausting (maybe even spirit-crushing for some) because of the outsider status/position you would have to maintain in order to sustain the critique. I don’t know how comfortable I would be with making that kind of a demand on black academics, although I understand the need for the critique to be made. It takes a whole lot of intestinal fortitude to stand on the outside.
You shouldn't have to. Blackademics should be the first to admit the compromised and misleading posture of their enterprise before other, harsher, and more disciplined critics than Naomi Schaefer Riley sharpen their blades and begin going in for the kill.
The squeeze of economic contraction and departmental austerity is all-around and will only tighten significantly with the passage of time....,
Imagine the transposition of the term "Social Sciences" to "Human Sciences." This is the true identity of the disciplines, namely: anthropology-economics-geography-history-political science-psychology-sociology. Unfortunately, unlike forty and more decades previously, when the essential historical(foundational)discipline was taught, the segmentation,mechanistic reduction and trivialization to number (statistics) have produced a contemporary conglomerate of minimally educated "scholars."(sic)
Willingness to think and act in either/or terms rather than comprehensive-holistic conception is a false dichotomy, and not in anyone's best interest. Prior generations did know modern technology--how could they? Pre-1960 students were educated, not trained in a narrow, fragmented specialty. They were/are able to operate in human terms.
A freshman once asked what was the "practical value" of an interdisciplinary course, "The individual in Modern Society." My spontaneous response was, "Are you of practical value? If so this course has practical value because it is about YOU. A Liberal Arts education, with emphasis on the context and content of the Humanities and Human-Social Sciences could, again, be of value and service in increasing critical thinking, and vital knowledge, that might have ameliorated the current devolution in the culture and society.
Imagine the transposition of the term "Social Sciences" to "Human Sciences."
rotflmbao...,
NO!!!!
Don't imagine a dayyum thing.
PRODUCE some useful and repeatable work.
SCIENTIFIC METHOD (short version)
The “scientific method” is the ONLY way yet discovered for discovering truth amid a world of lies and delusion. The simple version looks something like this:
a. Observe some aspect of the universe.
b. Invent a theory that is consistent with what you have observed.
c. Use the theory to make predictions.
d. Test (attempt to falsify) those predictions by experiments or further observations.
e. Modify the theory in the light of your results.
f. loop back to “c” above for another test.
And of course you can do all of that without imagination. Wattajerk.
Lol, imagine that anonymous jiggaboos were something other than useless eaters and oxygen thieves...,
You know what. This was my first exp on a "black blog". I was about to make the mistake of prejudice. Attributing the bad behavior of an indvdl to a group. But as I was thinking about it, the use of racial slurs really isn't typical of this blog and probably not of "black blogs" in general. This fool is an aberration. Strange, strange fellow indeed.
And malicious.
Gwen, pay no attention to CNut. Your points are valid.
This guy is stinking up the place, and so I take my leave. But remember, on this Memorial Day:
"Whenever they's a fight so hungry people can eat, I'll be there. Whenever they's a cop beatin' up a guy, I'll be there... I'll be in the way guys yell when they're mad an'-I'll be in the way kids laugh when they're hungry an' they know supper's ready. An' when our folks eat the stuff they raise an' live in the houses they build-why, I'll be there."
Even in the real sciences, when plantation negroes can't pull their weight, the first thing out of their mouths is WACISM!!!!
The past forty years of the academy has harmed black folks more than the prior forty years of Jim Crow...,
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