As I often ask, "what shall we do with the white people?"
When an "Arab" or "Muslim" American kills people in mass they are a "terrorist". When a black person shoots someone they are "thugs". When a white man commits a mass shooting he is "mentally ill" or "sick".
Whiteness and white privilege are the luxury to be an individual, one whose behavior reflects nothing about white people as a group.
There will be not be a national discussion of a culture of "white pathology" or how white Americans may have a "cultural problem" with their young men and gun violence. The news media will not devote extensive time to the "social problem" of white male violence and mass shootings.
Elliot Rodger, a rich, white, entitled, young man allegedly shot and killed (as he apparently hunted them down) six women while driving his BMW around Santa Barbara, California late last night. Like Adam Lanza, this would appear to be a case of aggrieved white male entitlement syndrome, one which has led to a murderous and tragic outcome.
I have written about what I term "aggrieved white male entitlement syndrome" on several occasions.
In a complementary manner, William Hamby offers up a sharp synthesis of how rage and white male privilege come together to create monsters:
In a complementary manner, William Hamby offers up a sharp synthesis of how rage and white male privilege come together to create monsters:
Rachel Kalish and Michael Kimmel (2010) proposed a mechanism that might well explain why white males are routinely going crazy and killing people. It's called "aggrieved entitlement." According to the authors, it is "a gendered emotion, a fusion of that humiliating loss of manhood and the moral obligation and entitlement to get it back. And its gender is masculine." This feeling was clearly articulated by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the perpetrators of the Columbine Massacre. Harris said, "People constantly make fun of my face, my hair, my shirts..." A group of girls asked him, "Why are you doing this?" He replied, "We've always wanted to do this. This is payback... This is for all the sh*t you put us through. This is what you deserve."
At the risk of getting too existentialist, I'd like to propose a very simple and elegant explanation for not only school shootings but a host of other barbaric acts in recent years: White men are having a crisis of both aggrievement and entitlement. One need only look at the 2012 election season to see less brutal but equally mind-numbing examples of white men going mad because they are losing their power. The "Republican Meltdown" is a perfect example of men who previously had all the control escalating to madness when that control was lost...
The thing is, losing power hurts. That's the "aggrieve" part of aggrieved entitlement. It's one thing for a bunch of white men to feel hurt because they are no longer the kings of their own private castles, rulers of all they survey. It's another thing for them to feel like they're entitled to power, and more importantly, entitled to punish others for taking it away. And that -- aggrievement plus the feeling of entitlement -- is what may well drive people like Adam Lanza to these horrific crimes.
Elliot Rodger apparently explained his rage and "alpha male" bonafides as reported by police officials in the following way:
Any brave soul who dares to talk about white masculinity, white privilege, and gun violence will be hounded by the Right-wing's dogs--a media machine that cares nothing for the truth. Many otherwise decent, smart, and fair-minded white folks may also recoil at the thought that Whiteness and White Masculinity can be dysfunctional and violence. When an entire social structure has been erected to reinforce the lie that white folks are "normal", and those "Others" are "deviant" or "defective", it can be very difficult to break out of that haze of denial. Such an act requires a commitment to truth-telling and personal, critical, self-reflection which Whiteness, by definition, denies to most of its owners.
White privilege and Whiteness hurts white people. Aggrieved white male entitlement syndrome is killing white folks' children, wives, daughters, sons, fathers, and mothers. Yet, White America stands mute.
Again, what shall we do with the white people...especially if they are so unwilling to help themselves?
"Bill Brown, the Santa Barbara sheriff, said that “written and videotaped evidence” obtained by the authorities “suggests that this atrocity was a premeditated mass murder”.
“There’s going to be a lot more information that will come out that will give a clearer picture of just how disturbed this individual was,” he added.
Asked about the specific video by Rodger, the sheriff, called it “evidence that we believe is connected to this crime”.
In that recording, Rodger spewed forth his plans to wreak murderous revenge for his failure to find a girlfriend. “Tomorrow is the day of retribution,” the man said. “The day in which I will have my revenge against humanity.”
After detailing how “girls have never been attracted to me,” he threatened to “slaughter” members of a college sorority house – a group for female students - and then “take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there”.
In comments interspersed with sickening laughs and chuckles, he said: “I’m 22 years old and I’m still a virgin. I’ve never even kissed a girl.
“College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years I’ve had to rot in loneliness. It’s not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don’t know why you girls aren’t attracted to me. But I will punish you all for it.”
“I’ll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one. The true alpha male."And just as in Adam Lanza's case (and others) there will be no "national conversation" about why white men are 30 or so percent of the United States population and approximately 70 percent of those who commit mass shootings.
Any brave soul who dares to talk about white masculinity, white privilege, and gun violence will be hounded by the Right-wing's dogs--a media machine that cares nothing for the truth. Many otherwise decent, smart, and fair-minded white folks may also recoil at the thought that Whiteness and White Masculinity can be dysfunctional and violence. When an entire social structure has been erected to reinforce the lie that white folks are "normal", and those "Others" are "deviant" or "defective", it can be very difficult to break out of that haze of denial. Such an act requires a commitment to truth-telling and personal, critical, self-reflection which Whiteness, by definition, denies to most of its owners.
White privilege and Whiteness hurts white people. Aggrieved white male entitlement syndrome is killing white folks' children, wives, daughters, sons, fathers, and mothers. Yet, White America stands mute.
Again, what shall we do with the white people...especially if they are so unwilling to help themselves?
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He is no alpha male. Only a beta male would resort to such theatrics.
"Elliot Rodger, a rich, white,"
He's half asian, half white...
Correct. Asians have a propencity towards beta male behavior. Combined with the castration that most modern young men undergo it is a recipe for disaster.
He killed 6 women cause he couldn't get laid.
How dare these women exercise freedom of CHOICE and turn his ass down.
only in America. As long as America ignores the evidence that ready, legal access to guns leads to these shooting incidents, then such incidents will continue to happen. They don't happen on this scale anywhere else in the western world.
It will be interesting to see how that plays out. Will he be cast out of the family of whiteness because he is "Eurasian"--whatever that means. Very convenient. He is definitely privileged. He is certainly overly white identified obsession with blonde white women. We often talk about white-Asians crossing over into Whiteness. Who would have thought to do it by killing all those people?
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Elliot wasn't white but biracial. The cultural problem here is a MOC that has a white woman fetish. He is pissed that he can't get a white woman. I'm not surprised that Chauncey, a MOC, wants to put this mess on white men's door step. The self hatred and white woman fetishizing of MOC needs to be acknowledged. Chauncey, your deflecting.
I will engage here as a teachable moment because this is going to be a common deflection by the white right and white folks who don't want to own Elliot Rodger .
He is overly White identified in the worst sense--he talked about being happy not to look "Asian".
He writes racist comments about black men taking "his women", as though they were kaffirs. Elliot talks about being white British royalty. Read his other online screeds and you see someone who thought of himself as white, was damn pissed that others would not give him full membership as he saw fit as a white man, and was obsessed with blonde white women.
If Elliot were walking down the street he would be counted as 'white'. Just as w. the Boston massacre shooters, white folks are quick to jettison its real and honorary members when they make the tribe look bad. Old story.
Ain't complicated.
the whole ' he's bi-racial' thing is tickling me to pieces.
reminds me of when White folks wanna say that POTUS isn't the first Black President - that he's ' bi-racial'.
I always say, when you're ready to claim bi-racial Pookey who just robbed the liquor store, then come talk to me. Until then, keep a stepping.
there's nothing about this guy that doesn't reek ' rich, entitled White boy.'
Come on with Chauncey! Break it on down!
Trying to define who is white and who isnt is a white excercise. Have you read William Faulkners short story "That Evening Sun"? There is an amazing soliloquy from a 7 year old boy named Jason who tries to figure out who in his life is a "nigger" and who isnt. This same Jason appears again as a cold hearted, entitled, agrieved, psychopathic adult in Faulkners novel The Sound and the Fury; and the two people he is determined to hurt and control are his sister and niece.
I learn something new everyday. I will read that story. And defining who is "white" is not just a white exercise. It was a life an death matter for people of color in the U.S. and elsewhere.
Now off to read some Faulker tomorrow.
There is nothing white passing about Elliot. Go and look at his Facebook pictures. The car video is very misleading. MOC need to own Elliot. The love of all thing light & bright is catching up with MOC. Elliot belongs at the door step of MOC. His pathological white identification & WW fetish is common in his generation of MOC
Be sure you get the version of That Evening Sun where the character Nancy`s boyfriend is named Jesus, as Faulkner intended, and not Jumba, as the censors demanded. Makes a world of difference to the story.
I`ll have to think more about who defines whiteness and why.
First off: Obamas half white but uh... According to some people, he's "black".
Second: Pinning this shit on not only an entire gender, but the gender of an entire race, is idiotic and stereotypical.
WTF are you talking about?
He wasn't white just like Obama, who is also a half breed, isn't white.
Always trying to bring white straight males down.
His not liking blacks was personal and not representative of the entire white population.
I don't know that I'm convinced by Alpha/Beta Male logic.
Can a society with such a structural hierarchy as ours actually produce Alpha Males in the sense of being a 'big man' in a smaller social structure?
I think with individualist isolation and cultural narcissism, there is something changing with our psychology and pathology.
Here's his Manifesto
http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto
The only time in recent history that AWMES was obliquely alluded to was in the 80's and early 90's when the "angry white male" became a house hold term. It started out as a serious subject then it became a joke and ultimately it went down the Orwellian censorship hole. The rehabilitation of the AWM was essential to the the rise of the new right.
His being "half Asian" will be the excuse to ignore the reality of this incident: another privileged white man committing mass murder in "revenge" for what he feels he deserved.
The right wing actually embraced "angry white male" as a badge of honor for what they saw as a proper response to their perceived diminished role in society.
Clearly, a "white man" is what this loser saw himself as, and presented himself as such. He acted out in the classic way, as a long line of white men have, of taking a gun and committing mass murder, because, society be damned, *he* felt aggrieved. And thus as a "white man" it was perfectly normal to resort to a "second amendment solution" and slaughter masses of people who had nothing to do with him or his perceived problem.
This ain't on the doorstep; this is in the same damn house.
White superiority as an attribute of white supremacy is so deeply embedded in our society and culture I don't think we will ever be able to have a serious, national conversation. That white men make up approximately 23% of the population and commit 75% of mass murders is not enough, even though we are routinely told that black men are a relative small part of the population and commit a large percentage of crimes, and this is clear evidence of pathology in black men.
We know the reason for this though; crime is an aspect of poverty; the higher percentage of poverty in a group; the higher percentage of crimes. But what's the white male excuse? The perpetrators of these mass murders have, by and large, not been poor white men, and many have been privileged. And it has typically been some perceived loss of privilege that has been the driver in many of these cases.
The White male has been maintained at the top of the heap and first in line in this country since day one, and continues to be. Racism and discrimination was and is used to maintain that front of line status, and its used as "evidence" to prove their "superiority." As a category he still is, but the fact that this is even being questioned has spawned the "angry white male" syndrome and other responses of perceived grievance. And all too often that response is violent.
When white shooters erupt, their actions are categorized as the exception; they are "mentally ill," and they must be, because to be a white male means to be by default a positive individual in every way, shape or form. Unlike blacks, Arabs, "Muslims," "those people," and others who are inherently inferior in the scheme of white supremacy and are acting out of some expression of social pathology as a result of who they are.
What is to be done? It has to start with them, as they are clearly in the drivers seat but remain in deep denial. White supremacy requires it.
Just like George Zimmerman's non-Whiteness (Jewish/Mestizo hybrid) was completely ignored in order to supply a White villain as the slayer of the Blessed Martyr Trayvon?
Nonetheless, this "half Asian" was a worthless murderer, showing just how violent and savage the products of "miscegenated privilege" can be. Yet more proof of the need to go our separate ways, as the peerless Malcolm X wanted.
Its telling that you use "half-Asian" as opposed to "half-white" to describe this fool, and that Zimmerman was "Jewish" as opposed to "white." And that Martin sarcastically was a "blessed martyr" rather than a kid minding his own business and deprived of his rights because he was black.
What they lack in intelligence they compensate for with anger.
"Whiteness" is about politics not so much pale skin. If it is convenient for the slavery genocidal descendant mob to accept a questionable as one of its own,then so be it. if not, then dispose of the embarrassment , CONTINUE ON IN THE USUAL HYPOCRISY. People of European descent w /consciousness should shun the term "white", I think.
Couldn't the guy have just choked his chicken from time to time?
The kid was so white identified, he or his parents, dyed his hair blonde
in elementary school. Such a tender age, to be so concerned about
appearance. And that they would allow him to physically alter his, to match or perhaps, hone his obsession, seems to have spurred his sense of inadequacy instead of
teaching self acceptance. Photo included in this article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638595/Surveillance-video-Santa-Barbara-deli-shows-moment-crazed-killer-opened-fire-customers-gunning-20-year-old-UCSB-student-bloody-crime-spree.html
Zimmerman adopted "White privilege" politically convenient at the time.He still is a liar and murderer. Your defense of his depravity,couched in the psuedoscience of race anylisis is both puerile and a petty pollution on this blog. It is also evident that you too are reptilian in your world view, and a victim of the past ice age.
Your consideration of Trayvon as a martyr is correct, however.
The universe being an ultimately just place, I wouldn't if I were you, drink Iced tea,or consume Skittles,or cross streets w/out looking
Elliot Rodger is a case of the Perpetually Aggrieved Jewish Male Entitlement Syndrome. His father Peter Rodger is a rich Jewish Democrat, part of the Hollywood establishment that despises traditional White European Christian Americans. Peter is currently married to a Moroccan-born not-quite-white French woman. Elliot's birth mother is a Chinese Malaysian named Li Chin. The media will surely work overtime to pass Elliot off as a fully-white right winger, just like they did with Zimmerman, a "white" Hispanic.
Elliot himself complained: "This revelation about the world, and about myself, really decreased my self-esteem. On top of this was the feeling that I was different because I am of mixed race. I am half White, half Asian, and this made me different from the normal fully-white kids that I was trying to fit in with." Elliot's "white" half was not really "white" but Jewish -- even though that distinction may not matter to Blacks.
Elliot was a Jewish supremacist who thought he was entitled to the affection of A-list white women.
Women don't don't see mixed race men as the long term dating and marrying types. They only see that in monoracial men.
i think it should be noted that elliott had asbergers.
As absurd as turning the conversation towards political nonsense and misinformation, I'll just post a section, first page actually of the kid's manifesto,
"Peter (dad) is of British descent, hailing from the prestigious Rodger family, a family that was once part of the wealthy upper classes until they lost all of their fortune during the Great Depression. My father's father, George Rodger, was a renowned photojournalist who had taken very famous photographs during the Second World War, though he failed to reacquire the family's lost fortune.."
The distinction may not matter to blacks here because, the distinction is made up b.s. from a right-wing loon with an agenda, who thinks he can simply post any unconfirmed information and it should work as well as it does on his peers.
You might want Politico or something. We read here.
He looked more Asian to me like most White-Asians do and I'm half Asian/White myself from both parents.
White men make up more than 23 percent of the American population on average.
The white male as victim may have began with the Bakke Case in 1978. This would coincide with the election of Reagan. The culture of wrath was resurrected. Reagan encouraged hatred of the poor, the disabled, your neighbor, your family, and yourself. In other words, Everybody! There is no doubt in my mind that right-wing ideology, with it's rigid, heartless, suffocating policies, is the harbinger for the violence in America. On August 19, 1983, during the throes of Reagan's Voo-Doo Economics, the Post Office mass shootings, or "Going Postal" began. On August 21, 1992, there was the shootout between white supremacist, Randy Weaver, and the FBI, USMS, and ATF. This helped to stoke the flames of anti-government.
Hollywood as usual, decided to capitalize on the white man's angst by pandering. On February 19, 1993, they released a movie starring Michael Douglas called, "Falling Down". He portrays William Foster, a middle-aged Defense Engineer, who is laid off from his job. A number of small things happen to Foster, as he tries to attend his daughters birthday party. He basically snaps and goes on a violent rampage. His retribution is not taken out on the systems that caused him to lose his job, but a convenient list of racialized scapegoats. Approximately, 3 weeks later on March 29, 1993, Douglas appears as Foster on the cover of Newsweek. It was titled "(WHITE MALE PARANOIA - ARE THEY THE NEWEST VICTIMS-OR JUST BAD SPORTS?. Now there was no doubt white men were victims, because Hollywood and the media says so. Now take that!
What you saw then spreading across the country like a virus, was the continuing rise of Rush Limbaugh and right-wing radio in the 1990's. When Bubba Skanks Clinton signed the Telecommunication Act of 1996, that enabled the conglomeration of the radio airwaves. White Male Was Done Wrong- And He Hates Everybody- was on about 1200 stations in America. With the amount of hostility and rage that these radio hosts spew, it's a wonder the whole country isn't in flames. After all, violence has always been a reaction when white males have been wronged. Previously, they could massacre native Americans, or lynch black people with no consequences. I daresay that these Mass Shootings typifies exactly what they used to do. You can see it on a foreign policy basis as well. Just like they would falsely accuse black people of a crime to justify lynching, they will falsify crimes to justify war. Crimes like having weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, communist threat, or ruthless dictator, are all used to bomb, pillage, and rape developing nations- whose only crime is not being able to fight back.
Moreover, what is absolutely perplexing to me is these men hatred of government. The U.S. government was founded by, and for, the glorification and prosperity of white males. The entire society is built for their consumption. Television, movies and the Internet were built with their intellect in mind. Television, movies, etc., that claim to be for African Americans or women are usually produced by white men. The truth is,and you know it, at the core of the anti-government sentiment, is the familiar spirit of racism and sexism. The government about 40 years ago tossed a few crumbs to African Americans and women. Having to surrender an inch of fairness to others seems unbearable to these men.
Furthermore, this exploitation of white male fear by other powerful white males is the reason we have a death penalty. It's the reason for the harsh prison industry. It's the source of the obsession with guns. It's the reason you don't have Universal Health-Care, Universal Child-Care, a living wage, decent education, etc., etc. They value racism and sexism more than life. If they weren't so dangerous, it would be funny.
I wrote that a bit imprecisely--white men are 30 percent of the population and a bit over 70 percent--or maybe higher depending on what data you look at of (recent) mass shooters.
And millions of adults and children have aspergers syndrome, and don't go on killing sprees.
Already, I'm seeing comments (on other sites) from ignorant right wingers, calling him the ultimate liberal, because he was obsessed with life being "unfair" and I see people on the left, calling him a right-wing racist (I believe he was a racist, based on his outraged comments after seeing a black guy with two white women), but I'm not sure if we can project left/right politics onto this child (he wasn't a man, he was a sick, evil child).
I can't explain his bizarre worldview. I'm sure his parents' divorce inflicted all sorts of pain on him. I'm sure he spent his formative years in a house full of tension and discomfort. Probably there was organic damage in his brain. I read as much of his manifesto as I could, and it seems he was bullied out of at least one school. Literally bullied right out of a school. He couldn't finish his classes because classmates taunted and harassed him to the point where he couldn't finish his education. And yet if I had seen him; passed him on the street, I would have seen a smirking college student, a rich kid with a BMW, and I would have thought he had everything going for him.
But he seemed to view women (and yes, especially blonde white women) as objects and prizes. Not people he could be friends with, and then maybe lovers. Instead, pure sexual objects, "sluts" who rejected him. They rejected him, and that triggered rage. I'm sure he made them very uncomfortable. Most likely the things he said, and the way he said them; his affect, his manner raised red flags in the women who rejected him.
I'm sure woman viewed him creepy and scary, rather than a potential boyfriend. People are good are picking up bad, dangerous vibes.
After the fact, after his insane explosion of violence, it's easy for us to project things like race and politics onto him, when the basic fact is he was a damaged young man who couldn't connect with a single other human being at a time when he should have been forming friendships and intimate relationships, and building a future. He should have been laughing and partying with buddies, and falling in and out of love, and hugging and kissing and fucking. Instead he spent his time wandering by himself and narrating his hatred on youtube.
I watched a few of his sickening videos. In one, he is with his little brother on a hill overlooking some luxury houses. His little brother picks up a rock and says he wants to throw it over the hill onto one of the houses. "Do it," he tells his little brother. He has no empathy. He's the older brother, but he has nothing to teach the kid. Instead, he says "do it" in a cold, flat voice. The kid throws the rock.
I wish someone had stopped him before he could inflict such unspeakable horror. I'm glad he didn't hurt or kill my sons, or my wife. What scares me is knowing there are many more out there just like him.
Excellent comment.
“My father is of British descent, and my mother is of Asian descent, so that makes me a Eurasian.” — Elliot Rodger
He felt ignored by whites although in his mind he belonged in their midst. This rejection led him to target specifically blonde white women for assassination, as a 'retaliation' against white women who, he thought, rejected him for not being white. It's unfortunate for a person to grow up with a confused identity, belonging neither here nor there.
This is yet another reason to avoid miscegenation. Thankfully my parents had this in mind when they gave birth to me. My wife and likewise our daughter are all of European stock. Read or search in youtube for "The Stranger" by Rudyard Kipling, the giant of the English literature. In a few beautiful lines he outlines the importance of descent in our lives.
I agree. Here is more food for thought about the history of violence in America. This is the first of six parts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr00KMl-Jus
He looks like the typical mixed Asian "twink". Girls don't really go for that type. He might have had a lot more luck had he turned out gay, there's plenty of gay guys with a thing for his type. He would have done well in that subculture. Too bad he wasn't.
You are so spot on! I've been especially angry about how the white privilege mentality is the basis of US foreign policy. It is used to go into places like El Salvador and spend billions of dollars to pull 12 year old boys out of school and hand them over to the US Army to be trained to "fight communists". Look at the results today - a hopelessly backwards impoverished nation. This has been repeated around the world. These same paranoid old white folks in the military and intelligence communities are especially afraid of Indonesia: yet another nation of colored folks who have too much education and are not Christians. Notice how we send the CIA, NSA and the military into nations of color to ensure that education and development does not take hold (see also Afghanistan) but when it comes to predominantly white nations like Romania and Poland, we start the tap of US taxpayer funds and build military bases to "protect" them. I was stationed in Europe when the debate erupted on whether or not to allow Turkey to join the EU. The argument were that the Turks were "not European enough". Well karma has set in and Turkey's economy has been growing far better than the EU's!
If you really want to stop these shootings you'll tell your brothas to stay away from our women. If you just want to complain and make false comparisons between gang violence and the righteous reclaiming of his position by a wronged white man then you'll just delete this comment.
If you look images of his father- along with knowing his mother is from Malaysia, it appears sonny may had a nose job. It certainly looks like a nose job. Since he was so obsessed with whiteness, there is no telling what other surgeries, he may have had.
I don't think his racism was all an inducement by American culture. I think Daddy may have had a hand in it, as well.
Thank you for the video.
"When an 'Arab' or 'Muslim' American kills people in mass they are a 'terrorist'. When a black person shoots someone they are 'thugs'. When a white man commits a mass shooting he is 'mentally ill' or 'sick'."
What should a half white/half Chinese mass killer be called? What shall we do with these half-breeds...especially if they are so unwilling to help themselves?
Guess we should just call them white and then we'll feel better and superior.
I looked it up; from the Census to other sources, white males are approximately between 30 to 36% of the population.
My point though is that white men commit mass murders by percentage in numbers far larger than their percentage of the population. And that same perspective is used with black men and crime to pain a picture of pathology of black males as a group. Whereas in the case of white mass murders, they are each treated as individuals, and routinely "mentally ill" to have done what they did, as a way to mitigate the issue from a group pathology perspective.
Great observation. I was a student intern at the US Dept. of Energy in 1980 at the time. The change in the government and society was tangible, and in the succeeding weeks and months, society took on a meaner edge. "Politically correct" became the excuse for bigots to publicly spew racist garbage, and it was as if a pent up backlash at what the civil rights movement had accomplished up to them was unleashed.
As for why white men hate government, that's because government was seen as a protector of minorities, in enforcing the civil and voting rights acts, affirmative action, equal protection for women, etc. With the election of Obama, they really hate government because now their worst fears have come true: the government not only protects "those people," but one of them is the head of the government. Get the damned smelling salts Miss Mellie!
One less adversary walking the earth, and six others down. Good riddance.
I think you are making some very grand assumptions with this piece. I agree about the "what man losing his power" but you are really jumping the shark tying that into these shooters. They are mentally ill and should have been locked away a long time ago, white or otherwise.
Also this kid was not "white" he was just privileged and, again, terribly, and inextricably mentally ill.
Well...this guy had some race issues along with his mental illness. Here is an excerpt from his manifesto:
"How could an inferior, ugly black boy be able to get a white girl and
not me? I am beautiful, and I am half white myself. I am descended from
British aristocracy. He is descended from slaves. I deserve it
more. I tried not to believe his foul words, but they were already said,
and it was hard to erase from my mind. If this is actually true, if
this ugly black filth was able to have sex with a blonde white girl at
the age of thirteen while I’ve had to suffer virginity all my life, then
this just proves how ridiculous the female gender is. They would give
themselves to this filthy scum, but they reject ME? The injustice!"
CON'T
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-isla-vista-document-20140524-story.html#page=2
There was no such thing as white until after the Bacon Rebellion. It's a false construct like everything is about race.
DAMN!
I believe much of the success of the colonies in America, Spanish and English, was due to the strict hierarchic nature of law and order. "Freedom" for white folk didn't really work until there was racial loyalty. The mentally ill were also treated with brutality. Whippings were common in penitentiaries and many were essentially houses for people with mental disorders.
Concern for crime in society sparked efforts at prison reform and the establishment of mental health hospitals, but in many ways they ultimately led to failure.
Alexis de Tocqueville was permitted to speak with inmates at the Philadelphia penitentiary, the circular, solitary confinement prison. They were completely isolated from other people, zero interaction until their sentence was carried out. They were allowed to read the Bible and to do whatever work they chose and maintain a garden. They expressed great joy at having work to do for themselves (not like the current private prison model), but extreme remorse at not seeing other people. Like almost to the point of losing sanity.
One inmate had been in the Albany penitentiary before. The Albany plan was complete silence of prisoners, punishable by a flogging, and work in a chain gang. They could see each other and others and go out together. This inmate said that system didn't help as you weren't permitted the alone time to think. You also were around other seasoned criminals and you found ways to communicate and learn how to become a better criminal or find a criminal social network.
Today the prison and mental ward are one and the same. You become closer to other seasoned criminals, you are at the whim of brutal guards, and many prisons are closing down their libraries and other structures for preventing recidivism. not to mention the private prison scam job.
The feel they are entitled to avoid the realities of life. To exclude or isolate those deemed undesirable to be around. Hierarchy and control.
post was spot on!!!
Its a strange combination of projection, guilt and who knows what else.
I've always thought that a study of this would be a great doctoral thesis. If it could be done.
Wow, what a sad, miserable existence. And racism was part of his world view. This is something that is socialized into a person's perspective, and they take it up and grasp onto it for various reasons. But he embraced it for what it did for him, in supporting his superior view of himself.
Reading it, thought comes to mind: this kid apparently did not have any positive mentors in his life to help him navigate the world and see it through a positive lens. I also read that he may have suffered from Asperger syndrome, and reading his "manifesto" he sounds like someone with that affliction. People who have that tend to be social misfits, though they are not considered mentally ill, and can function "normally" in society.
Some questions, in light of some of the comments:
Is it "political" to observe the existence of traits and aspects of this incident and the perpetrator and recognize them for what they are, as attributes of white male entitlement syndrome, based on his own writings?
Are we are bringing attention to a social ill with deadly consequences by calling it out that it at least is acknowledged so as to recognize it as a problem that needs to be addressed on some level?
Why is it "okay" to discuss perceived black pathology, but applying the same "logic," that identifies white pathology is off limits and to discuss it is "political"?
I agree. As someone who has been a target of this syndrome throughout my life, everything you mention stirs up a lot for me.
Rodger would def had killed more if he'd had the chance. Just an FYI, he killed 4 men, 2 women & himself. His rampage was def aimed at women & the men he was jealous of that might take women away from him.
You're very welcome. It's hard to watch and it makes one angry, but the truth hurts and it needs to be told.
Why is it an white problem only? He was racially mixed and clearly looks asian.
It`s a problem of an very heterogeneous society were some people might feel inferior in terms of their ethnical attributes, and think they aren`t given the same chances as others around him might have with women. I often feel strange when asian women approach me in front of asian men very aggressively obviously because I just happened to be white.
In this case though he probably was rejected because of his attitude of entitlement but could`t see that I guess...
Also this kid was not "white" in reality. He was just privileged and, again, terribly, and inextricably mentally ill.
He was white enough that police came to his apartment for a "wellness check" and then left him alone because he was "shy and polite."
I know if the police ever visited one of my sons, (or any black kid in my neck of the woods who publicly expressed the desire to do violence) there would be no wellness checks, just handcuffs and a beating/tasing. Or most likely I'd be identifying him in the morgue. Sorry to be so harsh, but that's the way it is. So please don't talk about grand assumptions.
I agree you have made an excellent comment here. You make the connection to the horrific violence our government practices against the world, which is an important factor. Most "news" coverage just wants to talk about the "crazy" individual.
Elliot Rodger wasn't white he was a Jew/Asian half breed.
We can chew bubblegum and walk at the same time. Binary explanations are rarely correct. The world is complicated--and unknowingly you actually proved the broader point of my essay here.
Parents need to teach kids that they can't always have what they want. He was a rich and spoiled brat. Just a self-centered little pig.
He's 1/2 Asian. Anyone who connects this to any selfish, political agenda is themselves sick. This was an extremely disturbed psychotic person and was incapable of making any rational decisions about ANY philosophy. But if you want to go there then let's start with him being raised in the permissive fantasyland called Hollyweird and he is the product of a Leftist family.
He mentioned also about white guys wanting black guys and why was that when he was so much better. He was a racist too.
This post was spot on.
You have made very excellent points. The paradox is that we know that white male privilege exists in the world (not just in the States), but many reactionaries still deny it. History documents how the American government was built on the backs of black slaves and the genocide of Native Americans. The American government back then and to this very day mainly benefits white male elites. It took mass struggle among many people to fight back against the overt tyrannical policies of the establishment too. Human beings fought against the Maafa, slavery, child labor, Jim Crow, austerity, etc. The extremists even call the crumbs sent to black people, women, and other minorities as equivalent to "socialism" which is totally ludicrous. We have a very long way to go. A person can't be against injustice and support overt white male privilege in society. The war on terror totally proves the vicious nature of not only warfare, but of economic exploitation (because the war on terror allows multinational corporations to gain many of the resources in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, etc.).
You are correct. He had a false sense of entitlement in his psyche. I would not even call him a man. He was a sick male.
I've heard that most mentally ill are not violent, but I'm wondering if there is a dangerous intersection at play when Asperger's and white identity are combined.
As I pointed out in another thread, modern American conservative Republican politics since the emergence of Goldwater is an apology to white supremacists in the South and racists everywhere in the US for ending slavery. Any government action that helps non-white people (specifically blacks) is to be resisted violently. One of the reasons that the legislation that created Social Security was finally passed was because of an agreement with racist southern politicians to exclude black people.
If Elliot Rodger is white, then so is Obama. They both had one white parent. The other was not.
he killed 4 men, and 2 women.
You know what the "white privilege" really is here? Elitist liberals ignore the daily shootings, which are predominently black on black. They don't care about those. They say it's a "dog bites man" story. They can't use black deaths for political gain, so they completely ignore them. The stories are local stories at best. But if surburban whites get killed, liberals go crazy, saying it's an absolute epidemic, and demand more gun laws (like they would have stopped Lanza, who stole the guns he used). When blacks are shot to death on a daily basis by other blacks, nobody cares. It is ignored. They can't be used politically. But if whites get killed, CNN covers it non stop. Congress tries to make more laws, while ignoring that this saturday 12 people were shot in chicago in less than 10 hours. Or in Sacramento, the same state, on May 10th, 7 people, including a baby, got shot in a park, while celebrating the baby's birthday. Since they weren't white, despite being a mass shooting, the national media ignored the story...
Are you fine with the left ignoring black deaths and only caring when suburban whites get killed so long as it serves a political purpose?
mass shootings are still rare. shootings go on every single day in US cities. But it's ignored because the victims (and shooters) are almost always black or hispanic. No political gain can be made from that, so it's ignored. The reason why the media gets so riled up over mass shootings is because it scares suburban whites, who think normally gun violence is reserved for minorities.. This scares them, and makes them more willing to submit to more gun control, that doesn't work at all.
So if he thinks he's white, then he is? Does that work with islamic radicals when lefties and other muslims say "oh, he's not a real muslim"????
Did OJ simposon adopt white privilege or rich privilege? he got away with murder.
Also, the Navy Yard shooter was black, and he wasn't described by the media as a thug, or a terrorist, but rather as mentally ill. Your premise is wrong.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/09/psychiatry-mass-shootings-aaron-alexis-mental-illness.html
What the hell does OJ have to do with this? You are seriously derailing!
You're not making sense. You're derailing again.
Oh, please. You're kidding, right? People see President Obama as the Black man that he is. That's why members of the dominant society hate him so much.
Logical arguments are made using analogies.
What does Zimmerman have to do with the shooting this weekend either?
The reaction to the Aaron Alexis case is a rare exception. (Bigots always look for that one "exception" to disprove the truth because the truth goes against their way of thinking.) That does not take away from the fact that White males represent 35% to 40% of the country's population and commit 70% of the mass murders here. What Chauncey is trying to tell you here is that people always use statistics to justify racist attitudes against Blacks, but when statistics are used to point out problems with Whites, all of a sudden it's considered "wrong."
You're don't care about POC killing one another. You're using it as a excuse to put down POC and ignore the serious pathology among Whites. Once again, it's a derailing tactic.
Does it bother you at all the only time the nation media will cover urban violence, especially in chicago, is when the gun used is one that the left can go after? There was a shooting in a park in chicago, about 14 people got shot. Normally stories like those get ignored, but an "Assault weapon" was used, so the media was all over it. Meanwhile, in March of last year, there was a shooting late on a sunday night in washington, DC, on a street corner, about 13 were shot, and it was a local only story. There was no political gain to be had from it, so it was ignored.
Mass shootings are rare. They don't happen every day. There are shootings every single damn day in US cities, and that's ignored. Are you fine with that? Black lives have less meaning? They can't be used for political gain so they should just be ignored?
If you want to look at stats, tally up all the dead and shoot from mass shootings and compare it to the shootings in cities, and see which one is much much, MUCH larger.
Also, an attempted mass shooting of the FRC by a black guy in DC I believe 2 or 3 years ago. Not only did they not describe him as crazy, but liberals at the huffington post in the comments were praising him, regretting that he didn't kill anyone. They said he was motivated by "hatred" against LGBTs "caused" by groups like the FRC....
I also don't recall them saying the DC sniper was a "thug", he was described as crazy or a terrorist.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/shooting-reported-at-hyatt-on-clearwater-beach/2181519
yet another example. Clearly no white people were in danger, so this will remain a local story.. Had hotel guests been targetted, this would be all over CNN.
Does it bother you that the media and democrats only care about suburban whites being shot? Blacks being shot? They can't use that for political gain, so it's only a local story...
I'll prove to you the bias in the media.
Black on black violence is local news
black on white violence is local news.
White on black violence is national headlines.
Before you throw a fit, take into consideration this. Consider missing children. The only way the national media is going to cover the story of a missing child is if it's a girl, she's white, and pretty.
You could have a boy, any race, they won't cover it. You could have a fat girl, any race. They will not cover it. you could have a pretty black girl, they will not cover it. There's currently news about a possibly murdered, but definitely missing black girl in virginia. Only was a local story despite her being very pretty. She wasn't white, so the national media will not cover it. you are playing into the racism. They use blacks for political or monetary gain, or use whites for the same reason.
I don't know if things have changed in asia, but mixed race kids in asia are treated horribly. They were called "dust children". The US is much much more welcoming to mixed race people. In Japan, it's fairly common for signs to say "Japanese only"..
But the urban shootings are by far more common. More people are shot and killed in cities, predominately black on black, sometimes involving hispanics. The numbers don't even come close. Mass shootings, while becoming more common, just simply don't involve remotely the same amount of people shot, but it gets ALL of the attention because it makes suburban whites think "oh my, that could happen to me, unlike urban violence".. Then they can use that to political advantage..
He is not white he is a Jew and his father is a Jew, your ignorance is breathtaking, if you bothered to do some research you would know that but I am more inclined to believe you are so caught up in your own hatred you would rather mislead your viewers, either that or you are a paid shill deliberately trying to mislead your reader into hating whites! So renamer your article my jewish privilege or better still go here and learn http://endzog.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/jewish-privilege/
I obviously care about it more than you do. And you don't know what I'm thinking. You cannot read minds.
Urban shootings are by far more common, but that is beside the point of this blog. The point here is that these mass shootings are overwhelmingly committed by white males. Why is that? Is it in fact aggrieved white male entitlement syndrome? That is the question being pondered here.
As for such shootings being rare, rare by what baseline? Compared to shootings as a result of petty crimes and gang warfare, yes. And here you are making an apples to oranges comparison that again misses the mark. An apple to apple comparison is to compare to similar incidents -- mass shootings -- occurring in other developed nations. By comparison, in the US mass shootings are trending towards being a feature rather than a bug.
As for suburban whites, I think we can both agree based on your own presentation here that they are not the targets of "urban violence." But given the prevalence of these mass shootings and their propensity to occur in "suburban" settings, in most cases by some person with a gun looking to settle some perceived grievance, then yes, they should be concerned about it because they end up being the targets. And if we are inclined to brush these incidents off as exceptions in that the shooters are "mentally ill" then the concern should be wtf is a mentally ill person doing with a gun? You'd be foolish not to be. And by concerned, I don't mean to walk around in abject fear, but concerned in the sense that yes, it could happen anywhere, even in so called quiet, suburban enclaves. And how can it be prevented or lessened?
I don't understand why "scaring suburban whites" would be the goal of reporting on and then discussing such incidents. This tends to fit a pattern of the far right: the acts themselves are not the issue (when those acts tend to speak to and undermine positions of the far right); the issue conveniently becomes the discussing of these events.
If we can discuss urban crime, and shootings, their causes, perpetrators and victims, why are discussion of mass shootings by white men not allowed? If you are making a strictly political argument, I can see why you wouldn't want it.
Turns out Rodgers is half Asian and the other half very likely might be Jewish. What was your deep-thinking premise again?
It was two women you dumb cunt. The rest were men.
I agree with you.
As usual, you're dead on with this one, CDV!
One of my favorite paragraphs from this piece:
"White privilege and Whiteness hurts white people. Aggrieved white male entitlement syndrome is killing white folks' children, wives, daughters, sons, fathers, and mothers. Yet, White America stands mute."
You would think that white America would want to acknowledge this and look for ways to treat these systemic pathologies and thereby minimize the damage that's being done to not only to their own race but all others in proximity and society as a whole; of course, it's much easier to deny, deflect, and cast the blame elsewhere. That's unfortunate... Magical thinking does not kill a parasite within its host. Likewise, refusal to talk about the ongoing and manifest symptoms of a disease doesn't diminish the destruction nor limit the contagion, in many cases it helps it to accelerate and spread to others.
Ok so if you're gonna go there, then explain Michael Jackson.
An championed this image as a crusader against Affirmative Action.
You got that right, and it ain't for the better.
How so? Soren Kay.
I do not disagree with some of your assertions. I also believe you are lumping and jumping some huge sharks. I think, as one poster stated,the idea of "white" is a false social construct and agree that people still cling to it. "When an entire social structure has
been erected to reinforce the lie that white folks are "normal", and
those "Others" are "deviant" or "defective", it can be very difficult to
break out of that haze of denial. Such an act requires a commitment to
truth-telling and personal, critical, self-reflection which Whiteness,
by definition, denies to most of its owners." The people who perpetrate mass killings are not normal and are definitely deviant and defective. To paint someone like Adam Lanza as a person who acted out from some sort of "white man entitlement" syndrome versus the fact that he was a very mentally ill individual is dangerous and counterproductive. He should have been locked down and for sure never had access to guns.
He also WHAT about white girls wanting Black guys?
HMMMM. THAT is a very good question Glenn,
Not you've brought in another elements. "Neck of the woods". Ilsa Vista, Santa Barbara, CA as opposed to SoCen LA. Anybody wanta tackle THAT subject?
ARE YOU SERIOUS??? He REALLY said that crazy s**t?
LOLOLOL. "From time to time" That's what he was doing ALL THE TIME. That OBVIOUSLY was the problem. And here's something else that came to me. Maybe he was getting "rejected" so much because he didn't have anything to offer in the dyck department.
I am going to agree also, after reading excerpts from his manifesto, that he had some race based issues. But that still does not preclude him from being mentally ill. He had multiple therapists from as early as 8 years old. He can be a racist and mentally ill at the same time. I do not disagree with the assertions made about "white privileged" and that he felt he was owed something. Definitely so. Where it crosses the line is when he acts out on that violently. My point is that he should have been locked away somewhere but that is rarely an option. The idea that Out-patient treatment is working is what is really false here. I doubt very seriously that any of the parents of the murdered children of Sandy Hook would really care to entertain any other motives other than the fact that their innocent children were taken from them by a psychopathic lunatic who should have never been out in public much less had access to guns.
I do not doubt you one bit and I do not think you are harsh. We need to have these types of discussions as a nation and not get butt hurt when someone disagrees with us. Here is why I use the term "grand assumption." To wash this whole matter away with "white privilege" as the cause of young white men committing mass shootings is not totally correct. Is it a motive sometimes? Probably so. But not ALL THE TIME. I think the real issue is that these white men, at least Rodger and Adam Lanza for sure, should have been inside a mental facility and not out on the street. I do not discount that he probably did get a free pass with the cops but also I do not believe he had made any threats at that point. The mother had not heard from him in a couple of weeks. He obviously harbored racist views, apparent from the very base things he wrote in his manifesto. But all that combined still does not make him sane. The Boy was Crazy and should have been locked up a long time ago.
He's not speaking honestly in this video, in my opinion: rather, he is being a character. It is as if he were speaking lines that had be written for him. My husband commented interestingly that we investigate the psychology of white men who kill whereas with black men, well, they're just bad news. In other words, it seems as if when black men kill it is expected, and with white men it's an aberration. I agree with one of your earlier commenters: Surely Daddy had something to do with this, eh? And how ironic that Daddy helped direct one of the most violent, nightmarish films I have ever seen.
He resenting seeing White girls wanting to go out with Black guys.
The statistical fallacy in that is obvious. Men are far more likely to
be mass shooters than women. Men are more violent than women. . Using a statistical picture that that emphasizes whiteness, when
the statistical distortion is created by wrongly including gender is
dishonest.
Overall, 43 of the 61 shooters in mass killings since
1982 have been white, which is only a little higher than the proportion
of whites in the general population.
Actually, it’s a little lower. 43 out of 61 is 70 percent. White
people form 72.4 percent of the U.S. population, as per the last census.
Overall, 43 of the 61 shooters in mass killings since
1982 have been white, which is only a little higher than the proportion
of whites in the general population.
Actually, it’s a little lower. 43 out of 61 is 70 percent. White
people form 72.4 percent of the U.S. population, as per the last census.
If you feel this way than why do you live here? You're a nut. John D. Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie, Henry
Ford and J.P. Morgan rose from obscurity and in the process built modern
America. Their names hang on street signs, are etched into buildings
and are a part of the fabric of history. These men created the American
Dream and were the engine of capitalism as they transformed everything
they touched in building the oil, rail, steel, shipping, automobile and
finance industries. Their paths crossed repeatedly as they elected
presidents, set economic policies and influenced major events of the 50
most formative years this country has ever known. From the Civil War to
the Great Depression and World War I, they led the way.
The statistical fallacy in that is obvious. Men are far more likely to
be
mass shooters than women. Men are more violent than women. . Using a
statistical picture that that emphasizes whiteness, when
the statistical distortion is created by wrongly including gender is
dishonest.
Overall, 43 of the 61 shooters in mass killings since
1982 have been white, which is only a little higher than the proportion
of whites in the general population.
Actually, it’s a little lower. 43 out of 61 is 70 percent. White
people form 72.4 percent of the U.S. population, as per the last census.
Blacks
today are disproportionately perpetrators of violent crimes against
whites and against other blacks. According to data from the FBI Uniform
Crime Reports, in 2009, “whites” — a category that includes Hispanics —
were known to be responsible for 5,286 murders. Blacks, a mere 13% of
the population, were known to be responsible for 5,980 murders.
Group of people who invented 80 percent of what you use on a daily basis. Blacks
today are disproportionately perpetrators of violent crimes against
whites and against other blacks. According to data from the FBI Uniform
Crime Reports, in 2009, “whites” — a category that includes Hispanics —
were known to be responsible for 5,286 murders. Blacks, a mere 13% of
the population, were known to be responsible for 5,980 murders.
In 2011, NYT report found that
“Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks.
Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and
10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three
percent of their victims are black.” Also in 2005, the Department of
Justice reported that one-third of rapes committed against white women
(approximately 37,000) were perpetrated by blacks, while less than ten —
statistically zero — rapes of black women were committed by whites.
so do black women and black men hate to see black women with white men
White men are not losing their power at all and if they are it is by choice.
Fact -- blacks kill 8 times more than whites kill. Fact -- blacks kill
whites 20 times more than whites kill blacks. Fact -- blacks mug or
commit group crime against whites 50 times more than whites commit
against blacks. Fact -- blacks rape white women 2000 (yes 2000) times
more than whites rape black women.
Segregation has worked to such an extent that white people are rarely going to come in contact with black people. Many of the ways white folk do come into contact with black folk is in the form of law enforcement and when they commit an act of violence against a black person they are rarely held accountable for their actions.
Black people, however, will inevitably come into contact with white folks in their daily lives. Most murders or acts of violence are personal or between people who know each other.
At any rate, you are judging an entire group of people by a small fraction of that population. A very small fraction of black folk commit crimes and an even smaller percentage commit violent crimes.
You're just a simple-minded racial chauvinist.
How you gonna ask someone, "why do you live here?"
They were born here! Obviously. Why do these disgusting racist chauvinist fuckfaces tell people they should move out of the country if they don't like it?
You feel entitled to be the only one to express an opinion about politics in America. It's only proper for you to discuss American politics because you're probably a white conservative.
We're here trying to peel away layers of historical oppression that exist in the present moment. Why don't people of your ilk find some other fucking planet to get the fuck out of here on.
Let's have some fun with numbers. Per the census:
"It is approximated that there are around 223,553,265 white people in the United States of America. Approximately 1/2 of these will be male. So around 36% of America is made up of white males."
And really its even less than the 36% if you take into account that the white population is predominately women.
Then it is a safe estimate that white men are between 30% but not more than 36% of the population.
And this also is simply not true:
"Overall, 43 of the 61 shooters in mass killings since 1982 have been white"
Check out the chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethnicity_of_U.S._rampage_killers.png
Summary: "75% of the rampage killings on US record
were perpetrated by white males, as were 71% of massacres in schools, and 60% of workplace rampages – a seriously disproportionate number for the number
of white males that make up the general population."
So math says that white men commit mass murders at a rate that is twice their percentage of the population.
So there is no fallacy in asking why white men are the perpetrators overwhelmingly in mass murders, because they are.
And dude, here's another whopper I caught you in:
"Blacks today are disproportionately perpetrators of violent crimes against whites and against other blacks.
Per DOJ:
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
84% of white homicide victims were killed by other whites.
93% of black homicide victims were killed by other blacks.
You're original point was based on falsehoods. You might want to try another approach.
Fun with numbers...
Excellent analysis, skilletblonde
Hey CDV, you nailed it!!
For a long time I've been thinking about this tendancy for most mass murderers to be young white males with an extra helping of brains, talent, and/or wealth, how it looks like a culture-bound syndrome as surely as ghost sickness, dhat syndrome, susto, or any of the others found in the back pages of the DSM. It's only the mainstream USA tendency to look at white folks (especially white males) as the norm that obscures this view.
In a culture bound syndrome, specific disorders of thought, feeling, and behavior come together in susceptible individuals, pointing to specific expectations within that culture as to how people should respond to the pains and stresses of life. In fact, I've long maintained that all of the various ailments cataloged in the main body of the DSM are not scientific expositions of actual illnesses; they're all culture bound syndromes of mainstream western society. (Not to say that mental illness doesn't exist or that the mentaally ill don't truly suffer, only to say that the manner in which this occurs is culturally determined.)
A while back I noted that the tendency of mass murderers in the USA to be young, gifted, white, and male, is the flip side of the same coin that leads some men of West Central Africa to fear that their penises may be stolen. But I couldn't put my finger on the exact connection. You did!
The identification of Aggrieved White Male Syndrome ought to be as important as the identification of certain micro-organisms that cause certain physical diseases. But instead people are obscuring the discussion by shouting down those who speak of racism and sexism as racists and sexists.
Keep up the good fight, CDV! Your work is very important. Don't mind the haters. Some folks are scared of mirrors.
"And how ironic that Daddy helped direct one of the most violent, nightmarish films I have ever seen."
What? When? Do tell!
The "aggrieved entitlement" syndrome is no surprise to a sizable group of white women, but who listens to white women who dare to question their men? Mainstream media only allows white men to criticize white men (cue soundtrack "waaah - NotAllMen - waaaaaah"), with predictable lack of results.
Bakke - that takes me back to my youth. I remember thinking, what is his problem that he wants to show the world that he didn't study hard enough, didn't try multiple admission cycles, didn't work his way up from some other medical job, didn't move to some state that needed more doctors and establish residency there.
I never would have thought of penis theft! So smart. This violence and guns are part of a deep set of cultural anxieties. I don't want to be too Freudian about castration anxiety--literally--but what if the anxiety is cultural about masculinity and power?
Great comment.
The DSM is more a document of cultural norms around power than a guide to "mental illness" which as Foucault and other brilliantly pointed out is a type of social construction.
The list of school shootings by non-white men should be adressed as the numbers are much higher than for white men. Should we say black priviledge caused these? Latino priviledge? I have a list of 14 non-white man school shooters. Again we are being duped by the media into believing white men commit a disproportionate amount of these crimes. We were told for decades that serial killers were all white men. Turns out we were lied to and there many AA, Latino and Asian serial killers we just never heard about. Same thing here. And by the way Elliot Rodger is not "white". He is half Asian and half White. But lets not let facts get in the way of our white bashing.
Hunger games, a post-modern nightmare in which kids kill other kids.
You are racist. You say, “what shall we do with white people?” You complain, “Whiteness hurts white people”.
If you replace all the times he uses the word “white” with other races, I think the racism becomes overwhelmingly clear. You are not completely wrong but you are stereotypical i.e. you make generalizations that are not true about all whites.
Actually, no. The commenter to whom you are responding speaks of mass shootings; you are talking about rampage killings. These are two different things.
Rampage killings do not include, inter alia, school shootings, workplace shootings, hate crimes, or familicides. They also do include killings not achieved with guns. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers)
It is for that reason dishonest or at least mistaken for you to suggest that the ethnic composition of rampage killers represents the ethnic composition of mass killers in general. In fact, a look at all mass killings bears out the original commenters point, and that is that mass killers break down racially more or less in proportion with U.S. demographics.
Fun with numbers indeed.
You also seem to be confused about the commenters other point. He makes a comment about the likelihood of blacks committing acts of violence against other whites or blacks; you refute him by referencing only homicide statistics. You realize, I assume, that the latter is a very small subset of the former?
Not sure if your arguments are merely sloppiness or bad faith, but they certainly need "tightening up."
What I've heard said online, which seems true, is that Asian peoples will immediately recognize his Asian decent. Other races are more likely to see him as "white". And yes, he was most certainly a white woman chasing, white-identified self-hater. He wrote to another Asian man trying to get with white women “Full Asian men are disgustingly ugly and white girls would never go for you. ... You even admit that you wish you were half white. You’ll never be half-white and you’ll never fulfill your dream of marrying a white woman. I suggest you jump off a bridge.”
Why do you think people deny that fact?
If he was, that would make him a liberal democrat. They always hate themselves.
No, he is just giving you facts that don't fit your Toure'-inspired narrative.
How dare he judge when only you should! MLK would be so displeased with you. It's all about color of skin to you, isn't it?
We should also do away with knives and cars because he also used those.
Then he should wipe more often.
"...is no surprise to a sizable group of white women, but who listens to white women who dare to question their men?"
Spot On.
No skillet.... this is America, where the black with a lower grade average and lower SAT than a white will get the position simply because his skin color is black. YES, THIS IS THE WHITE PRIVILAGE YOU TALK OF? You have no idea about the troubles coming to this country. The world is not moving towards the utopia you try to create... its about to explode.
it is possible ban, or severely restrict private ownership of guns; not so with guns or cars.
not so at all
This is such utter racism, why do people put up with it. Also not only does male life not court (4 men killed 2 women) but 6 women according to this charlatan who combines, ignorance, sexism and racism in her revolting attitude.
It seems that feminists or those attacking the group seen universally as privileged, white males (even though Rodger was mixed ethnicity) ... is the last, not only accepted, but promoted bigotry, one people can make a living from.
Also what is this bull about white men being immune from criticism!!!!! that is utter madness to say.
I have no desire to be a small minded and retaliate with the truth about who get's away with murder, literally and in what they say, so I will just leave it that this is a lie, and what sort of effect do you think evaluating all males in relation to a murderous lunatic ... on males, and females, raising sons and even daughters, to see this bigoted propaganda, openly lying, passed of as true.
Fact, he did not kill 6 women. 4 men, two women.
If you are respectable negroes, what do negroes who aren't respectable carry on like? by the way, that is your scale, not mine. Lying like this is not respectable and saying lying is what respectable negroes do sets the negro respectability standard well bellow any norm of what is respectable.
So far as I know, there is no ethnicity that thinks blatant lying is respectable.
"Whiteness hurts white people." how can people stomach such outright racism! ?
"Any brave soul who dares to talk about white masculinity, white privilege, and gun violence will be hounded by the Right-wing's dogs--a media machine that cares nothing for the truth." cares nothing for the truth?.... how many men and women were killed again?
nancy.... does this article lie about the genders of the dead or not?
yep, this is why female victims of domestic violence are never believed, laughed at, and men just have to make the accusation to be believed.
the racial breakdown of these type of killers matches pretty closely the racial breakdown of the society in question.
So, the majority of people in jail are non white, so by your logic, non whites are more criminally inclined.
so even in trying to be broad minded you still manage to blame men.
"Whiteness hurts white people".... change that to black, asian, hispanic or another non white race... or a mixed race person, say an asian mother and white father.
"African American and Hispanic defendants are charged with and convicted of violent crimes far more often (per capita) than whites or Asian Americans, which contribute to large racial disparities in incarceration rates"
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1985377
So what do you make of that? racist moron. Also. most scientific innovations, lives sacrificed for others, world leaders.... are men. But you probably have another standard for that, don't you?
what about lying and saying 6 women were killed? what is that tactic?
no, it's not even a question it's a racist idiotic statement about himself.
"I would not even call him a real man" that right there is the problem... he was told he wasn't a real man as real men are defined in term of females. You ignorance is staggering. Bigoted idiot.
what do you make of the author lying? and being praised for it?
so you are chomping at the bit to use this lunatic as a representation of white people... Buddy, you are racist scum.
" I think the real issue is that these white men," racist
Great comment. Also to be pointed out that the brutal treatment given minorities and the mentally ill was also meted out to the poor, women and children. It used to be that Mister Charley lorded it over all of these groups. This helps shed light on the unreasonable opposition to women's economic and social equality, as well as the furious attempts to destroy the social safety net.
This men were brutal and ruthless people you know. And they didn't create anyones dream but their own, the goal of which was immense personal wealth. None of these men invented anything, they moved money and power around.
Perhaps "whiteness" it's more privilege than race. I've heard it said races are racist constructions, I think I agree. It's a way to do things to a group of people... so maybe we see this young man by the beautiful coast, drinking his wine, wearing his designer clothes and driving his bmw and we want to say he's white.
Interesting idea. But we have to be precise and careful. Elliot talked about himself as white when discussing minorities; in his personal reflections about his own inadequacies he described himself as half-white.
If he cured cancer Elliot would be discussed as an "Asian" in the same way that Keanu Reeves is, i.e. not.
Where are you getting all these "facts" from? And does your source take into account that this only counts recorded crimes that make it through the court system?
All too often, rich folks get away with murder and other serious crimes on a scale that a poor man would never dream or dare. And all too often, these rich folks are white and male.
"Known to be" these are key words here. What about all the crimes that never make it into the courts? What about the mass murders that are just "business as usual"?
That's true I never think of Keanu Reeves as half Asian. It's interesting how some mixed people choose to identify with their white side. I am cuban/white. when I was a little kid I quickly "got it" that it was more interesting to be cuban than white. Being white was the biggest bore. My mother (the white side) wasn't "proud" of her whiteness, whereas my father was very outspoken and proud about being Cuban. Now I say the reality: I'm mixed - to hell with all that nonesense! I see lots of half-white people I know identify with their non-white side. I definitely see this with African decent and Latino mixed. I'm not saying this is a measure of the total population, I don't hang out with people that value material wealth and blonds, maybe in that world the mixed people want to identify as white.
Nobody is saying Asians or Africans will ever be minorities in their homelands
Why are they saying White people will be a minority in EVERY White country by 2040?
“Anti-racists” only enforce "Diversity" in White countries.
Because “anti-racists” want a world without White children.
It's genocide
Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.
What if all they really want out of life is what they can't have? Do you recommend suicide?
We really need to find some type of reservation or preserve to keep these Negro's. They are just to innately violent to be allowable to wander our streets unleashed and/or unattended. It's just not safe.
Chauncey, Elliot Rodger was not white, he was a Malaysian PoC.
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